INTRODUCTION V

PART V:  What Is the Actual Purpose of War

11/29/2008:  A NEW Element Has been Added that Heightens the Danger that Faces the Global Population Shown Below:  HAARP!

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Theodore Roosevelt: a president with globalist dreams loved wars and casualties in those wars. History has shown that is the dream of all who want a New World Order!

GLOBALIST PRESIDENTS, LEADERS AND PEOPLE LOVE WARS, AND LOVE CASUALTIES IN WARS!  WE SHOW YOU HERE WHY THAT IS THE CASE!

From The History of the United States audio book under the Teaching Company...

Unlike most regular army officers who do everything they can to minimize casualty rates in their units, Roosevelt was happy to have a high casualty rate, because he thought the men who died in the Rough Riders would symbolically by their death contribute to the annealing of their cause for national unification and imperial destiny.  He wrote a book about it as soon as the campaign had finished.  It's called, "The Rough Riders."  It's a great classic which I counsel you all to read.  Here's a little quotation from that.  And he's talking about the night before the great charge up the hill [Battle of San Juan Hill in Cuba].

"As we stood around the flickering blaze that night, I caught myself admiring the splendid bodily vigor of *Capron and *Fische: the captain and the sergeant.  Their frames seemed of steel to withstand all fatigue.  They were flushed with health.  In their eyes shot high resolve and fiery desire.  Two finer types of fighting men--two better representatives of the American soldier there were not in the whole army!  They were filled with eager longing to show their metal, and both were rightly confident that if they lived they would win honorable renown and would rise high in their chosen profession.  Within twelve hours, both were dead!"

It was a kind of glorying in the fact that these wonderful specimens of manhood had sacrificed themselves in the battle." -- Patrick N. Allitt, Gary W. Galagher and Allen C. Guelzo, The History of the United States, Audio Book under the Teaching Company, Lecture 60: "Theodore Roosevelt and Progressivism," 14mins, 43secs into play.

GLOBALIST LEADERS ALWAYS HAD A TALENT FOR MANIPULATING INFORMATION AND PROVIDING FALSEHOOD!

Well during the campaign in Cuba, Roosevelt very skillfully manipulated the Press core so that nearly half of all the dispatchers going back to America from Cuba were about his group [glorifying the war and minimizing shortfalls and defeats].  And they had a sort of swaggering macho air--they'd deliberately break the rules: sometimes they'd steal from headquarters to get the best equipment for themselves.  -- Ibid. 17mins, 39secs into play.

Now the Army--the regular Army--hated Roosevelt and were bitterly resentful of his manipulation of the way in which the story of the war got told.  And much later on they were able to get their own back.  When America entered the first World War in 1917, Roosevelt begged to be allowed to revive the Rough Riders and take them off the fight in the trenches even though by then he was an elderly man.  The Army absolutely excluded him.  So in the end they were able to get their own back. -- Ibid. 18mins, 5secs into play.

 

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A Siege Upon America is Imminent!!

But it is impossible that our own--our own flesh and blood wearing our uniforms will endanger our lives and put us under siege!!

The Ex-Jesuit Priest Dr. Alberto Rivera warned in the late 1980s that MILLIONS--he said, "Millions, not thousands, but MILLIONS," of people are working for the collapse of the free systems.  They slowly climb up into prominence in government, education, journalism, entertainment and religion.  THEY HAVE OFFSPRING.  Such climb up into the military.  The wars are to purge out those offspring who are produced by the majority of Americans.  The offspring of the millions-strong minority that does the purging for the primary reason for the wars WILL brutalize the American public and kill them without a moments thought.  They can now legally do that EVEN IN SECRET!  They already worked to do that against their fellow comrades in the military AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL!  You should greatly fear what is going to return soon.

THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED are the ones who would not hurt you.

As even the insurgents are destroying the lives of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, unknown to them, THEY ARE DESTROYING THEIR VERY OWN SECURITY, WELL-BEING, AND LIVES!!

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The Kings of the earth!   What is so bad about them?  What are they going to wind up doing?

Over and over again from different times pastors of various denominations and religions all over the world have made the statement that before tyranny strikes, a state of immorality has to exist.  Many pastors from our church have preached this in sermons without telling us exactly how this will come about.  Now the issue of terror has arisen, and recently, in order to struggle to preserve the Patriot Act, a politician was seen on a news program on TV saying that conditions are different now, therefore we need the Patriot Act.  He then said something that was really weird.  He said that we would not want to see this government taken over by Muslim extremists.  At that point we knew that he was trying to make his hearers out to be jackasses.

America is arguably the most powerful nation in the world.  Especially with it possessing deadly nuclear weapons, there is not a chance that it can ever be taken over by anything...

Coming from the outside!

There is no way we can first see a terror attack with 19 hijackers and ever think that this can in any way lead to Middle Eastern men living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C.  That politician was adding to the great fog of lies that dangerously hovers over America and is destroying it.  NOT A CHANCE for something like that happening.  The only way America can be destroyed IS FROM INSIDE!  This fact therefore points in the OPPOSITE direction and that opposite direction can be more solidified based upon the fact that each terror attack makes our national leaders much more powerful and renegade.  The terrorists don't attack our leaders who make decisions that affect the Arab and Muslim agenda or even massively sheds Arab and Muslim blood.  Osama himself never does that.  The terrorists spend more time, effort and money to stage terror attacks against the American people instead.  This in itself is a very suspicious fact.

Knowing this, the American forefathers made rules for us that, if we think about it, would fit the thoughts of the common, "Conspiracy Theorist."  If I was to urge you to buy guns in expectation that you may have to use them against the government, what would you think of me?  Wouldn't you think I was a mentally challenged "conspiracy theorist?"  What kinds of people then would pen a Constitution putting the Second Amendment into it claiming it may be necessary for you to have this provision one day to use against "YOUR OWN government?"  Why didn't they even think of mentioning Middle Eastern Muslim extremists who always hated us because we were free?

Judge Mills Lane: "The Constitution was created to protect the American people from the government.  It was not made to protect the people from each other." Do you know that "conspiracy theorists" have the same thoughts as those who penned the constitution?

Why was this Second Amendment, giving the right to bear arms, created?  Rush Limbaugh, the notable radio talk show host, confessed that it was constructed as a last resort lest the citizens of America find themselves the victims of a tyrannical government.  Which government is that?  NOT Middle Eastern men!  It was talking about the federal government of the United States.  The current forced mainstream construct is that any thought that the government is amiss to the interests of the American people is cause to roll on the floor and laugh or to assume psychiatric credentials and to pray for anyone who begins to think this.  But the very Constitution of the United States is the strongest argument that show these were always very valid concerns. 

Then, some years ago, Judge Mills Lane on TV said something we always knew was true.  He said that the Constitution was created in order to protect the American citizens FROM the government and not from each other.  He was addressing a local civil case where a man was trying to sue another man for taking his picture out in public without his consent, appealing to the Constitution of the United States.  But for years people have been arguing that the Second Amendment was not meant for actual individual citizens to be armed, but for government-regulated militias to have the right to have arms, offering no protection to individual citizens in case the government becomes tyrannical.  Their only definition of "well-regulated militias" found in the Constitution is always militias controlled by the very government the provision in the Constitution was meant to protect the people from.  They were saying that if even a bad militia is formed, it would actually need legislation to acquire guns.  Without that legislation, it would not be able to.  Of course, this is not true.  They are ORGANIZATIONS of people who pool their means and influence.  By this, they can even travel the world to acquire arms and do many things singular people and individuals cannot do.  If guns or even militias themselves are outlawed, that will not stop them from existing nor acquiring arms at all!  The very last basic point is that with the fact that the federal government can become corrupt or tyrannical, how can we think this cannot happen to militias?  What then are the American people to do if militias are bad or tyrannical?  What about if many such militias are formed?  It is clear that law was meant for individuals in the United States. 

With this fact, propagandists will always argue till doomsday in order to secure their object, telling us that provision of the Constitution designed to protect the people from the government, was to give power to government regulated militias!  Remember there is an engrossing endeavor to teach people, without ever actually saying it, that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT TO BECOME EITHER CORRUPT OR TYRANNICAL.  If you don't believe this, like the American forefathers knew was not true, treason will put you in the "conspiracy theorist" dump, and that is one of the fundamental differences between "conspiracy theorists" and their conspirator counterparts who gave them the name: The conspirator outwardly portrays that it is not possible for the federal government of the United States to become either corrupt, tyrannical or treasonous.  For that to happen uniformly among many in the government, working in concert with each other, would mean a conspiracy is afoot.  Viewing how the Democratic Congress worked hand in hand with President Bush while complaining about him every step of the way, and after being elected for the exact opposite is just one example of what we are talking about here. 

I'm not that old, but I remember the days when you did not have to lock your house. Anybody remember those days? And you left the keys in the ignition all the time. You never took 'em out cause you might lose 'em.  And you go to the average high school and half the pickup trucks in the parking lot had a loaded rifle hangin' in the back window. And nobody got shot in school in those days, did they? -- From Dr. Kent Hovind's Creation Video DVD Seminars, DVD 1, 48:50-49:11 minutes into play. Why have we had nearly a 1,000 percent increase in violent crimes since I was a boy? I remember the days when you did not have to lock your house. We'd go off on vacation for two weeks--I never had a key to my house growing up--never did have a key. I don't know if we even had one. You didn't need one in those days. -- Earlier Creation Video presentation, DVD 5, 3:10 minutes into play.

The absolute major "conspiracy theorist" document in the United States is the Constitution of the United States.  That very document was created to restrain the government in case it does become corrupt, tyrannical, or treasonous.  The Second Amendment was for the worst case scenario, for the citizens to have arms just in case the worst has taken place.  This is something the present dominance of propagandists always challenge.

But just that law itself reveals that the mindset of our national forefathers is the same mindset that is constantly ridiculed and condemned by the strange generation crying out for "change" today who get obstructed in their crusades against paranoia.  Experience in debating over the internet alone shows that there is a terrible agenda to make sure no one copies the American forefathers and believes this.  In every debate, strange people who become very paranoid when anyone in their free rights even hints they believe there is a conspiracy, step forward to inspire the imagination that it is impossible for the United States government to become either corrupt or tyrannical.  Every known example of deliberate lies, scandals, cover-ups or constitutional tampering by the federal government is labeled as, incompetence, mistake, slip-up, botching things up, etc.  And these things grow and grow insatiably as if government politicians cannot live without the persistent slip-ups.

In order to destroy this country, the thoughts of history have to be reversed.  That is why to imitate the thoughts of the American forefathers today will be an invitation to be insulted, including receiving suggestions that mental evaluation and a return to your medications would be helpful--a common concern and desire of America's foremost military enemies: the communists and the nazis.  That's why they also already had government snooping, secret trials, torture and DETENTION CAMPS!  People always received free mental evaluations and treatment in those camps.  Tis no wonder since we have propagandists swarming every part of society, as we speak and break all their deception, they are constantly declaring we're lunatics and need to get back upon our meds while making sure they desperately stay on the threads we post on the internet hoping to drown out what we're saying.  If such people are everywhere, who would be surprised that the government they're always defending in its unrelenting rounds of coverups, slip-ups and botch-ups erected detention camps already? 

We even have a quotation where President George Washington is warning the American people against the dangers of foreign influence: of getting involved with other countries in war and being cautious in commerce.  In that quotation he said that he has heard of the Illuminati: a secret order that sponsors subversion with the mission to take over the world.  Instead of saying that he was rolling on the floor laughing when he heard about them like the strange people do today, he began to warn the American people about the Illuminati.  Quite different from what is accepted as the mainstream today.  He espoused what is now called in contempt, ISOLATIONISM!  No one laughed at him at that time for his principles.  He was on top of a nation rapidly growing and rapidly becoming more and more powerful and more and more prosperous under what is now called isolationism.  At that time they didn't even have an income tax system to fund global escapades.  Few people realize that these very principles of isolationism and the Second Amendment came as the direct result of the beliefs of our forefathers that there was a literal global conspiracy to reverse all the freedoms they have acquired.  It reaches to the extent where many Americans cannot seem to understand why the American forefathers chose these rules for our protection and prosperity.

THE ONLY THING THAT CAN INSTALL TYRANNY ON THE CITIZENS OF THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, IS THE VERY GOVERNMENT OF THAT COUNTRY ITSELF, ONLY!  Since 911, the only thing that has been working to reduce the liberties of the American people is the government.  Osama hasn't, and nothing else has.

If the government wants to install tyranny on us, how can it be done?  It can be done through infiltration, AND THROUGH WAR!  Infiltrate?  Is that real?  Yes indeed, infiltration is indeed real.  We have many examples on the website, TheirSecrets.info, particularly shown on the Table of Contents page, that show undeniable evidence. 

One example is "Andrew."  He is a poster that claims to be a Seventh-day Adventist Christian.  We showed him bold posts on the internet claiming that all non-Catholics should be tortured and killed.  It said that the Constitution of the United States, was "incredibly stupid and outdated."  The same posts claimed that present America is "rebellion" against King George.  His immediate reaction to these posts--even though they threaten him personally, was to persistently attack those who didn't like them and who brought them to light: http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC/AppealChapAndrew.htm

Another example is the same dangerous posts of terror condoning genocide in this climate of terrorism and Homeland Security being presented to a major internet discussion forum that services all religions.  The administrators felt some very compelling force to emerge and attack us, constantly ignoring what the posts said, but yet telling everyone they must ignore them.  This forum is Beliefnet:  http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC/AppealChapBeliefnet.htm

They were very bold in showing they were not what they claimed to be and taunted us in view that there was nothing we can do about it.  The American people are now in such a stupor, that we are not the only ones who can plainly see disaster ahead.

An army of people are taught to infiltrate every organization in the United States, especially those that possess authority, control, entertainment, education, news and journalism.  They struggle to capture the top positions of every public office, and positions that admit new recruits.  In the government, that would be the top positions like the Executive Branch or President, and also those areas that hire new employees from top to bottom.  The top position can help to appoint people who would control who are hired.  After appointed they will admit more and more of their numbers into employment who qualify for the job or who match with their competitors, giving their guys the edge in being hired.  It works like a virus.  It overpowers the system at every level and then forces it to accept, as much as possible, only those of her own numbers.  Therefore, like a virus, because it enters into the inside, it is hard to detect them, and is more than a delicate process to get rid of them.  Therefore, as they secure power, all kinds of problems will be developed, with little options for how to solve them. 

Remember the promise the Communists made in 1931?  They claimed that they wanted to destroy the Capitalist west.  But they claimed it couldn't be done in 1931 because America was too strong.  Confidently, it declared they will have to wait 30 or 40 years more till America becomes "stupid and decadent."  And how would they know America would become "stupid and decadent" merely by waiting?  This is a whole new subject where one will have to investigate all the so-called great philosophers and educators in America promoting pluralism and nihilism, attacking all absolutes in the thinking of Americans.  But the words show that they infiltrate free societies and begin to confuse their thinking.  The words show they have vast armies of people working all over the world.  That is why they don't even actually tell us you can't dare believe there's a global conspiracy in a free country.  They don't actually say the words, but if you believe there is one, they attack you and insult you without ceasing.

Concerning the last days, Luke says:

Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity...

Perplexity means problems for which no solution is being found.  It is frustrating.  The actual problem is mostly on the inside, but it is hard to identify the actual people responsible.  It can be easy to point to someone who isn't a problem and think that he is.  It is through the methods described that we had a war even in our church because of strange people from top to bottom telling us we must debate about everything that can be debated, and have respect for those who disagree with us, before they then told us that our church MUST change whether we liked it or not.

Yet, our national forefathers, who had thoughts that many strange people struggle to destroy today, had certain positions about war.  Should this country engage in war?  Should this country engage in pre-emptive war in order to "save" other countries?  They all forbade this.  Why were they so insensitive, cold and cruel?  Why are our present national leaders so loving?  The actual truth is the OPPOSITE!  Here is an example of one very famous president who had such beliefs to stay out of wars as much as possible.  He makes a very strange statement that goes like this:

"Surely we have some brave and reliable Roman Catholic officers and soldiers in our armies, but they form an insignificant minority when compared with the Roman Catholic traitors against whom we have to guard ourselves, day and night…." -- Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, pg. 296. Father Charles Chiniquy witnessing the words spoken by President Abraham Lincoln.

I could cite many other facts, proving the church of Rome to be an irreconcilable enemy of the United States; but it would be too long. Rome is a viper, sooner or later that viper will bite and kill this republic. This was foretold by Lafayette, and is now promulgated by the greatest thinkers of our time. . .

That great statesman and patriot, Richard W. Thompson, Secretary of the Navy, in his admirable work, The Papacy and the civil Power, says, "Nothing is plainer than that, if the principles of the Church of Rome prevail here, our Constitution would necessarily fall. The two cannot exist together. They are in open and direct antagonism with the fundamental theory of our government and of all popular government everywhere." -- Father Chiniquy, Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, p. 284, 285.

The speaker here is President Abraham Lincoln (at least in the first quotation).  He was here talking about infiltration into the military that they had to guard against the best way they could.  You even entertain those concerns today, and you would notice people approach you telling you they are rolling on the floor laughing and that you are filled with supreme hate.  They will recommend psychiatrists for you.  You and I know that we don't take any such precautions today that Abraham Lincoln here describes.  Also the situation back then is different now.  Far more Catholics accept liberty and support it today than they did back then not too long after America was formed with liberty after the Inquisitions.  The situation is different with the Jesuits.  The Jesuits are completely unchanged in their malice toward the United States and all liberty.  If anything, they are even worse today viewing all the successes they are achieving and the astounding succumbing of the United States to most of even the most ridiculous principles they are currently pushing. 

And still yet, most of the players among the Jesuits, being Catholics, profess to be Protestants as Andrew in the example above.  Most of those we found working hard in treason were, by profession, Protestants.  Their agenda for this is to make sure, as much as possible, Rome is not implicated in even the movements for all the churches to unite nor the changes that are leading us back more and more to the principles of the Inquisitions.  Some have even provided quotations from Catholics and Jesuits supporting this claim stating that they need not fight to dominate the world again, but just relax and the Protestant world would merely hand it to them.

That is a general rule as will be further witnessed as events transpire to the end.  If you are looking for the problem mostly in the Catholic communion, you will not only be disappointed, you will probably be cut down or suffer greatly for the attempt.  Others may even offer you help who will not profess Catholicism and it will just work to your hurt. 

What will ultimately be the result of this described by President Lincoln?  Well it works like this:

Strange people infiltrate the military also.  They purpose to capture the highest positions.  But good people are already there.  How can they capture higher positions?  Through changes of careers.  Through retirement.  And under the best circumstances, THROUGH WAR!

Different kinds of soldiers were always in the American military: constitutional soldiers and those with the One World view as the worst enemies of this country always possessed.  In the beginnings of this country, both fought and died in war.  The strange ones were a minority.  The strange ones however, more seek to become career military personnel.  They would trend to stay in the military longer in the hopes of acquiring the highest positions.  But America's policy of no war in former days was a frustration to them.  When any of the good top military personnel retired or died, that was a position left vacant that the bad guys always took advantage of.  Those with the One world view outside the country: namely the Communists or the Nazis, would do whatever they could to incite America into war or into military involvement around the world.  As soon as commander positions become more and more filled with the strange people, THEN THOSE PEOPLE SELECT CONSTITUTIONAL SOLDIERS TO BE ON THE FRONT LINES IN THE HOPES THAT THEY WOULD DIE OFF, AND THEN WITH THE HOPES THAT THEY CAN STAGE FRIENDLY FIRE INCIDENTS AGAINST THEM OR EVEN BETRAY THEM OVER INTO THE HANDS OF THE ENEMY!  This is easy for them to do.  All they have to do is mark every soldier that is not a member of their secret orders.  Even casual hand signals can alert them.  Soldiers are likely even pre-selected to even train in certain companies which are scheduled for the front lines.  Other issues of "friendly fire" and Prisoners Of War and Missing In Action cases would arise. 

The unfortunate fact is that in every war, not only were constitutional soldiers fighting against their enemies overseas, THEY WERE ALSO BEING ATTACKED BY PEOPLE THROUGHOUT EVERY LEVEL OF THE MILITARY ON THE INSIDE! 

January 16, 2008:  Following video in the link just below here on Yahoo does not appear to exist anymore.
Video: Were U.S. soldiers tricked into firing on their fellow GIs During Vietnam?  Transcript is here

It was a fact admitted even by the History Channel, that after WWII when many soldiers risked their lives and perished in warfare against the Nazi regime, MOST of the worst killers among the Nazis managed to escape justice.  The History Channel then was forced to elaborate on how this took place and which entities helped the Nazi war criminals to escape.  The History Channel gave a list of those who helped the Nazis in this order:  The Argentinean government, the Syrian government, the Catholic Church (giving Nazis refuge in her monasteries), and lastly, US military officials.  It said the stated US reason for doing this was to utilize those Nazi War criminals as experts in espionage against the Soviets.  In every war we know of there is evidence of the US government actually fighting against its own.  Then the documentation available concerning President Bush's grandfather (Prescott Bush) show consistently that he aided the Nazis quite deliberately, and little was done against him--to his grandson now holding the highest office and now recommending always understood anti-American methods against TERROR, and then torture.

Pat Tillman was yelling to his comrades to cease fire after they apparently thought he was among a group of insurgents.  They stopped firing, and then, moments later started firing at him again for no apparent reason!  They shot his head clean off!  After that, they destroyed evidence [including his diary being burned where was penned his distrust of the whole war and possible incidents that took place while he was there, indicating treason] and lied claiming that Pat Tillman was killed by insurgents.  By firing, then waiting and firing again, Pat Tillman DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35717-2004Dec4.html The Death of Pat Tillman <snip>"Friends and family describe Pat Tillman as an American original, a maverick who burned with intensity. He was wild, exuberant, loyal, compassionate and driven, they say. He bucked convention, devoured books and debated conspiracy theories. He demanded straight talk about uncomfortable truths." <snip>Uthlaut designated Pat Tillman as one of three fire team leaders and ordered him to join other Rangers "to press the fight," as Uthlaut put it, against an uncertain adversary. <snip>Rangers are trained to shoot only after they have clearly identified specific targets as enemy forces. Gunners working together are supposed to follow orders from their vehicle's commander -- in this case, Baker. If there is no chance for orderly talk, the gunners are supposed to watch their commander's aim and shoot in the same direction. <snip>The young Ranger nearest Tillman on the ridge, whose full name could not be confirmed, saw a Humvee coming down the road. "They made eye contact with us," then began firing, he remembered. Baker's heavily armed vehicle "rolled into our sight and started to unload on top of us. They would work in bursts." "Ranger! Ranger! Cease fire!" one soldier on the ridge remembered shouting. "But they couldn't hear us," recalled the soldier nearest Tillman. Then Tillman "came up with the idea to let a smoke grenade go." As its thick smoke unfurled, "This stopped the friendly contact for a few moments," the Ranger recalled. "We thought the battle was over, so we were relieved, getting up and stretching out, and talking with one another." Suddenly he saw the attacking Humvee move into "a better position to fire on us." He heard a new machine gun burst and hit the ground, praying, as Pat Tillman fell. "I started screaming. . . . I was scared to death and didn't know what to do." A sergeant farther up the ridge from Tillman fired a flare -- an even clearer signal than Tillman's smoke grenade that these were friendly forces. By now Baker's truck had pulled past the ridge and had come into plain sight of Serial 1's U.S. vehicles. Baker said later that he looked down the road, then back up to the ridge. He saw the flare and identified Rangers even as he continued to shoot at the Afghan he believed to be a Taliban fighter. Finally he began to call for a cease-fire.

Note:  The History Channel recently reported about the Nazi Party having a bold branch of support over here in the United States TO THIS DAY.  They showed bold support for Adolf Hitler even just before WWII.  That broadcast took place June 2, 2006.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.military.retired/msg/2283eec5e1e71892?hl=en    Web    Images    Groups    News    Froogle    Local    more »   Advanced Groups Search   Preferences alt.military.retired > #ANY CLUE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO PAT TILLMAN?? Susan Williams   Jun 16, 7:14 pm     show options Newsgroups: alt.military.retired, talk.politics.guns, alt.religion.christian.adventist, alt.religion.christian.baptist From: Susan Williams <SWilliams0717196...@hotmail.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:14:51 -0400 Local: Thurs,Jun 16 2005 7:14 pm Subject: Re: #ANY CLUE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO PAT TILLMAN?? Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | View Thread | Show original | Report Abuse On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:36:17 -0400, Jeordie White <Cir...@bass.gov> wrote: >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:32:39 -0400, Jeordie White <Cir...@bass.gov> >> wrote: >>>Susan Williams wrote without the tin foil beany: Rev Eternal Life: >>>On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:03:22 +0000 (UTC), "Rev Eternal Life" >>>><vissc...@btinternet.com> wrote: >>>>>Blessed is he and she who are in the Lord. Susan Williams: >>>>Excuse me Revy, but I'm still concerned about what happened to my >>>>brother Pat Tillman. Jeordie White: >>>The stump stupid fuck stood in the way of few bullets, you drunken cunt. >>>What do you think happened? Susan Williams: >> Is that why all the jesuits on the newsgroups don't care, and when I >> mention him they trail my posts and automatically become my >> psychiatrist and pharmacist? >> Were guys like you out there in the military around Pat Tillman? Jeordie White: >No way I would be around that loser, you soused slut. [Oh how MEAN and HATEFUL!] Susan Williams: Did Osama think the same way about him?  Did the terrorists? As a matter of fact I show the evidence pointing to the fellow military man who killed him trained and having thoughts just like YOU! [Is Pat Tillman a loser because he listened to the propagandists of the Antichrist now controlling the government?  If so, what about the other soldiers who went there to defend their freedoms with the Russian military watching and knowing better? We keep asking them this, but, they're Nazis.] http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.adventist/msg/e67f2c3d4c600ff8?hl=en    Web    Images    Groups    News    Froogle    Local    more »   Advanced Groups Search   Preferences alt.religion.christian.adventist > #ANY CLUE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO PAT TILLMAN??. Endomion   Jul 5, 1:25 am     show options Newsgroups: alt.military.retired, talk.politics.guns, alt.religion.christian.adventist, alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.religion.christian.lutheran Followup-To: alt.military.retired From: Endomion <E...@mion.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 22:25:19 -0700 Local: Tues,Jul 5 2005 1:25 am Subject: Re: #ANY CLUE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO PAT TILLMAN??. Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | View Thread | Show original | Report Abuse Susan Williams wrote: > We remembered that Pat Tillman, a football star and destined for > greatness, decided to give up the rewards of this life in order to > fight for our freedom.  We say he went into it not understanding all > that Jack Chick was trying to reveal. Endomion: Army regulations insist on no more than six comic books per soldier in the field, and Pat Tilman already filled up this quota with 4 Archie comics and 2 Donald Duck comics. [Trust me, the soldiers who killed Pat Tillman had different grievances with him than the treasonous propagandist above!  And yet, as we hear reports over and over again about ANTI-GOVERNMENT people or people who HATE THE GOVERNMENT, no reports are made about GOVERNMENT SUPPORTERS like the treasonous individuals who write and publicly post what you see above!  Claiming to be eager to protect the world from terrorism, and constantly singing in the ears of honest people how they should sacrifice their lives for it, we show them BOLD TERROR THREATS OF DEATH AGAINST ALL NON-CATHOLICS gleefully posted just after George Bush became President and instituted the Patriot Act, and they have not ceased attacking us for exposing them and have not stopped struggling to ignore them and cover them over.]

As time progresses, more and more top military positions wind up being occupied by the strange people.  All throughout the history of this country, its eternal enemies on the outside were determined to bring it into wars.  As time progressed its enemies on the inside then more and more pushed this agenda.  President John F. Kennedy would have none of this, so he was killed.  Immediately afterward, President Lyndon B. Johnson allowed the Vietnam war.  With time passing and more and more high military positions infiltrated to more purity, each successive war becomes more and more dangerous and destructive to American liberty: WWII was worse to FREEDOM than WWI, The Korean War was worse than WWII, the Vietnam War was worse than the Korean War, etc.  Constitutional soldiers more purely wind up on the front lines, while those who secretly have a terrible passion against the Constitution are spared.  The Iraq War is the most dangerous!

The military was already very amok to even the striking of the Pentagon with a missile (as Donald Rumsfeld mentioned the word) though claiming it was an airplane, but yet with no airplane debris and their constant babbling to hush people up about this evidence.  We then allow President Bush to make the situation much worse by calling for war again and then killing more constitutional soldiers to our future TERROR and DESPAIR!!

The Nazis were very confident of defeating the allies but were disappointed.  One main reason they were very confident WAS BECAUSE OF THEIR UNKNOWN BUT YET VAST ARMY OF SUPPORTERS THAT WERE ACTUALLY INSIDE OCCUPYING MANY POSITIONS IN THE ALLIED NATIONS.  It was always high priority for them to keep this inner army secret to this very day.  That's why strange people on forums asked us to discuss and claimed constantly that their highest goal was for free discussion and tolerance, but who then attacked us the moment we even started to talk about the possibility of this internal army.  It was hard for us to get them to calm down.  And it was equally hard for us to get them to understand the virtue and urgency of allowing everyone to believe what they want freely and to discuss it fairly in debate on forums which they pressed upon us constantly.

After 911, and the American people were shown to have lost their senses and made strange people very happy by surrendering their liberties to the only president who failed to protect them so grossly, it was if he had an open-door policy to terrorists, President Bush brought on the agenda for war in Iraq.  American law forbids America going to war in order to "free" any country.  Something else must be done.  Then came the lie about WMDs and Iraqi involvement with 911.  He first claimed he wanted to free the Iraqi people.  That couldn't work under American law, so then he brought up the lie about WMDs.  Just as soon as it was time to start the war, he called it, "Operation Iraqi Freedom" where the name possessed nothing to do with WMDs or disarmament but everything to do with exactly what he was prohibited from trying before.

Bush attacked the history of America, telling them of the great mistake America did in staying out of war in the 1930s too late till WWII started.  He claimed that was a mistake that cost lives.  Can other mistakes be made by staging what the Communists and Nazis always supported: pre-emptive war?  After the WMDs issue was found to be in error (mistake), and even Rush Limbaugh didn't blush but they all claimed Michael Moore was such an embarrassment, Bush claimed he would have started war with Iraq anyway in order to "save America," or the country that beat Iraq so badly not too long previous in Operation Desert Storm.  This shows he already had an aversion to American law.  Many draped coffins are the result of finding no WMDs.  Bush, who didn't cover up the so-called mistakes of lives being lost America made during WWII, covered up the coffins that showed his errors--errors he doesn't call errors to this day.  No sign of changing the idea of pre-emptive war the Communists and Nazis always had since it already showed a key and embarrassing error.

He moved the burden of the war in Iraq at first most exclusively upon the American military.  Soon American soldiers were reported to have committed suicide.  Very early it was discovered that those soldiers on the front lines were not adequately protected.  It didn't take a high IQ to figure that out; but a strange state of mental gridlock engulfed those who have credentials and authority, and who put the soldiers into harm's way.  Months and months pass by with this problem with no action taken to solve it.  Like clockwork, the terrorists staged remote-controlled road-side bombs and would detonate them as soldiers driving their HumVees passed over them.  It was a wild slaughter, and the deliberate official ignoring of this condition made the terrorists VERY HAPPY!  Responses in the form of excuses that they were not protected because of economic inability to protect the soldiers were shown to be lies.  This has emerged to be the most expensive war America ever had.  Obviously the soldiers were not getting this great wealth and taxpayer burden.  The time came when a soldier asked Donald Rumsfeld why the soldiers have to dig even in landfills to find parts to use for their HumVees for protection while Halliburton is heavily funded.  Rumsfeld tells that soldier that he needs to be satisfied with the military that's there instead of wishing for a better one at another time.  With this revelation of his character, he has to patch things up by saying how saddened he is that the American people would think that the government is not doing all it can to make sure the soldiers are protected even though it told them they should be content to dig in landfills for protection in the most expensive war.  Many other strange people were actually upset with the soldier for daring to ask why they are not protected, and then came with the "conspiracy theory" that he had CONSPIRED with a reporter in order to dare to ask a question that he should not ask.  They actually claimed that the soldier merely asked Donald Rumsfeld that question in order to embarrass a president who by nature can never be embarrassed.  The soldier forgot even his need for survival and self-protection in order to embarrass President Bush.

We discussed the issue of the soldiers being unprotected in Iraq on the internet with the other strange people there.  They showed clearly that they were happy with the situation.  We remarked about Pat Tillman, the football star who gave up fame and fortune to defend the interests of Americans, and assumably those who supported the war.  He went right into the Iraq War and wound up being killed by some of his fellow soldiers.  The strange people on the internet showed that THEY WERE HAPPY ABOUT THE FACT THAT PAT TILLMAN DIED.  One of them even boldly made jokes about his death.  We have the actual links showing these super-terrorist's words.  These claim to be the definers of hate, remember?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89689567 Excerpted from Against the Tide: How a Compliant Congress Empowered a Reckless President, by Lincoln Chafee. We Republicans had won the presidency by a single vote in the Electoral College and a single vote in the Supreme Court. In the executive branch, winning by a whisker is as good as winning in a landslide, but not so in the Senate. For the first time in a century we had a Senate split down the middle, 50-50, with a Republican vice president available to break a tie in our favor. It meant that our small club of five moderate Republican votes would be vital to President-elect Bush if he had any hope of getting his legislative initiatives through. That was why Vice President-elect Richard Cheney came to our lunch that day: Not to say he needed us, but to tell us that he and George W. Bush were in charge and no one else. In steady, quiet tones, the Vice President-elect laid out a shockingly divisive political agenda for the new Bush administration, glossing over nearly every pledge the Republican ticket had made to the American voter. President-elect Bush had promised that healing, but now we moderate Republicans were hearing Richard Cheney articulate the real agenda: A clashist approach on every issue, big and small, and any attempt at consensus would be a sign of weakness. We would seek confrontation on every front. The new administration would divide Americans into red and blue, and divide nations into those who stand with us or against us. I knew that what the Vice President-elect was saying would rip the closely divided Congress apart. We moderates had often voted with President Clinton on things that powerful Republican constituencies didn't like: an increase in the minimum wage, a patients' bill of rights, and campaign finance reform. It made no difference to him that we were potential adversaries; he was going down his to-do list and checking off Confrontation Number 1. Senator Arlen Specter spoke first. As the most junior member, I would have my say last, if at all. I could hardly sit still as I waited to hear my respected friend wade into this outrageous manifesto. And then, in a moment I can only describe as infuriating, Senator Specter took no leadership role in representing the moderate point of view. He acquiesced, and others followed his example. As each of my colleagues spoke in turn, I waited for one of them to push back. Surely one of them would have the presence of mind to say, Whoa! Time out! What are you talking about, Mister Vice President? You weren't elected to scrap international agreements. You never said to the voters: Elect us and we promise to bring back deficit spending and drive the next generation into debt. But no one resisted. We sat there and listened as Mr. Cheney made divisive pronouncements of policy that would come as a complete surprise to many of the Americans who had voted to elect the Bush/Cheney ticket. I stopped waiting for someone to challenge Mr. Cheney when I saw my Republican friends around the table nodding in agreement as he held forth. I was at a loss to explain my colleagues' compliant behavior then. I remain so now. The contentious and destructive agenda that Mr. Cheney dropped on us was troubling enough, but what really unnerved me was his attitude. He welcomed conflict. We Republicans had promised America exactly the opposite. In the presidential debates, moderator Jim Lehrer asked Governor Bush to describe the foreign policy he would adopt, if elected. Candidate Bush said he would be humble in foreign affairs; that if we were arrogant, other countries would resent us. Now his running mate was telling us the new administration would make a point of being arrogant and divisive. He said that the campaign was over and that our actions in office would not be dictated by what had to be said in the campaign. I wondered, where does Cheney get the confidence to say these things a few hours after the Court established him as our Vice President-elect? Where did he get the authority to make this radical departure from the President-elect's own campaign rhetoric? I had supported Governor George W. Bush over Senator John McCain in the 2000 Rhode Island presidential primary. He had good campaign patter, and I was impressed. He said all the right things. I thought he could win on his pledge to bring a new, unifying atmosphere to Washington, and that he might even be as good and decent a president as his father had been. Then came that devastating first day after George W. Bush and Richard Cheney prevailed in the Supreme Court. If we were to believe Mr. Cheney, the President-elect would not only reignite the partisanship of the Clinton-Gingrich era but would make it even more toxic. Mr. Cheney tore our best campaign promises to shreds and the moderates acquiesced instead of pelting him with outrage. It was clear to me then that there would be no key bloc of moderate votes helping to shape legislation and reunite America over the next four years. In any event, Cheney was not asking for support – he was ordering us to provide it. My heart sank as my colleagues peeled away, one by one. It was the most demoralizing moment of my seven-year tenure in the Senate.

What would happen when enough of the constitutional or, as the strange people view them, "rebel" soldiers are killed off?  Well we have a Patriot Act that enables the government to capture anyone and imprison him forever and without charge.  It can even murder him in jail.  If you have a beautiful daughter, it can take her.  History shows that those with the One World view, (including the Communists and Nazis) have always had sexual problems.  The government can even make mass detainments.  The President, under the Patriot Act, can empower many other officials to detain people.  Those people can detain your daughter especially if she is very beautiful.  According to the written document the Patriot Act, the government THEN OWNS YOUR DAUGHTER.  [Better suck in that sigh of relief you handsome debonair gents out there!  The strange people we are talking about also have a known problem with homosexuality!]  They never have to tell you what happened to her.  They can even kill her and invent any story, or tell you they don't have to invent a story at all!  VIRTUALLY EVERY TIME IN HISTORY WHEN THE PRINCIPLES OF THE NOW PATRIOT ACT WERE ENACTED, THERE WERE MASS RAPES AND SODOMY GALORE!  IT HAS REPEATEDLY BEEN HOSTED BY THE MOST BRUTAL OF REGIMES, AND WHEREVER THESE PRINCIPLES WERE, INJUSTICE, TORTURE AND BLOODSHED PREVAILED!

The strange people on the internet already told us that we have been under the Patriot Act for some time, and it is evident it hasn't caused us any harm.  The reason for that is that there are even many military personnel WHO WOULD NEVER ENFORCE THE PATRIOT ACT LIKE THE WAY THE STRANGE PEOPLE WITH THE ONE WORLD VIEW WANT.  It is in the interest of those who concocted the Patriot Act by making the "tough decisions" the Communists and Nazis always made (the principles of the Patriot Act were already always practiced by the Communists and Nazis, and ultimately even earlier in the Inquisitions, while Bush claims that the FISA law of 1978 that requires court orders for wiretaps was "outdated!") to get rid of those military personnel.  They therefore beg more and more for us to "Stay the course!" in the illegal war.  More and more coffins kept out of our reach.  The longer the wars are continued will be the more the military will support Bush merely by what is happening.  The more they stay there will be collectively the more tyrannical that body will become.  Those who are not tyrannical are dying off! That is even why people were complaining about the military personnel on the scene in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.  They complained that they were threatened by them even with death.  They do not understand what has happened and is happening with every war or every season of military activity in peace-keeping missions, etc. everywhere.

Now Osama tells us that withdrawing more troops is a victory for Islam, we believe knowing that the more they stay is the more constitutional soldiers die and the stronger Bush and others who support the One World Government get.  How is a stronger Bush going to fulfill an Islamic agenda?  It appears that not only are American interests being betrayed, but even suicide bombers and those who fight for the Islamic cause don't see what they are doing.  If they were smart and hated Bush, they would kill Bush with a minimum budget and not spend huge sums for training in order to attack the people or buildings.  Just the "new" teachings that liberties must be submitted for security guarantees more power to President Bush through terrorism.

The time will then soon come when enough of the constitutional soldiers are destroyed.  When that happens something very catastrophic takes place.  The Communists always had the One World View.  The Nazis always also wanted a New World Order.  Now most of our national leaders have long been showing us that a One World Government is their goal.  And now, THE SOLDIERS in our military now have the One World view through the elimination of th