DO THE JESUITS DOMINATE BELIEFNET?!!
Why is torture such a needed commodity today as its subscribers claim we have to "update" our security policies?

We began to alert the global community on the Beliefnet Forums about bold public terror threats against all religions issued by members of one.  Not understanding the makeup of the administrators, owners and moderators of that system, we wound up being viciously attacked for doing that by them.  Administrators and owners of the popular Beliefnet Forum system, servicing all religions, attacked us for exposing people on the newsgroups posting that all non-Catholics must be tortured and killed.  We forgot to mention that we did not summon the administrators or owners of that system to comment or to enter our discussion.  A huge argument ensued without even calling the moderators and administrators to even view what we were presenting.  We merely put the postings on their forum system and asked for debate about them among the participants.  The administrators of Beliefnet voluntarily entered into the debate out of a great concern and attacked us for exposing such things because they felt some overpowering need!  WE DID NOT EVEN KNOW THAT THE ADMINISTRATORS AND OWNERS WERE CATHOLIC AT ALL!  We just entered in with information we wanted to share so that we can gain comment, and hopefully a solution to this seemingly reincarnated threat to all non-Catholic existence.  This fact is now placed on that webpage.  Before we continue here is where you can find a good portion of the documentation regarding these bold public terrorist threats on public databases in the United States:

http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC/AppealChapI.htm

http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC/AppealChapLeoWest.htm

The following last example were emails sent to me by the person in question who condemned all non-Catholic life boldly after 911 while singing all kinds of praises about American President George Bush, and British Prime Minister Tony Blair...

http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC/AppealChapLeoWest2.htm

OVERVIEW:

Susan Williams attacked even by the Administrators of Beliefnet.  At least two of the people attacking me are administrators (abd_issa and Cherubimo).  I, Susan Williams, start out by giving a summary of the concerns on the Beliefnet system below (in the box).  This was already done, but the administrators showed a strong urge to delete it.  Beliefnet is a major discussion forum that is supposed to be serving the religious community, and that not just the Christian community alone.  Question is, in the broadest sense, IS THAT TRUE?  What would happen if they see a threat to the entire community both Christian and non-Christian except Catholics?

[Time for another demonstration of the power of Jack Chick's words.  Introducing the first specimen in a breathless, as if taught from infancy, LIE...]

abd_issa: 2: Swill, "Shan" is actually an SDA member posing as a Catholic so that you can use his posts for such purposes. It's actually a very common SDA tactic.

 

http://www.TheirSecrets.info/Grizogono.htm THE GRIZOGONO LETTER! The "Untouchable" Ustashis of WWII!!...  The people even your colleges and universities don't want you to know about! When we first presented this evidence, the strange posters on the newsgroups said this was written by a Protestant who hated Catholics. From experience, we know that they say anything. When we pointed out that the poster was a Croatian Catholic, they ignored this other proof of their constant ability to lie and then went off into other lies. This information is about the Ustashis of WWII.  They lived in Croatia and, upon witnessing the success of their brothers the Nazis and being wholly confident they would take over the world and start the New World Order, did the inevitable, as would always happen whenever the Jesuits believe thy have succeeded in their undying endeavor to take over the world and re-establish the Inquisitions.... GRIZOGONO LETTER Source: Letter written by Privislav Grizogono, a Croat and a Roman Catholic, member of the Yugoslav Diplomatic Corps, Minister to Czechoslovakia, Minister to Poland, addressed to Dr. Aloisius Stepinac, Roman Catholic Archbishop of Zagreb, Croatia, February 8, 1942. Published in translation by the American Srbobran, a Serbian paper of Pittsburgh, Pa., U.S.A., February 24, 1943: "These atrocities do not amount to killings alone. They aim at extermination of everything Serbian: women, children, and aged men, and in terribly wild tortures of the victims. These innocent Serbs were stuck on poles alive, and fires were built on their bare chests. Literally they were roasted alive, burned to death in their homes and churches. Boiling water was poured on live victims before mutilation; their flesh was salted. Eyes were dug out of live victims, ears amputated, noses and tongues lobbed off. The beards and mustaches of priests, together with their skin, were ripped off rudely by knives. They were tied to trucks and dragged behind them. The arms and legs of the victims were broken and their heads were spiked. Here is a picture of a man whose head is being cut off with an axe. Take note of the expression on the face of the murderer who is doing that to him.  Would you believe that he thinks the person he is murdering is a MONSTER??  Would you believe that if you were able to overpower them with armies and stop what they're doing, they can look up at you with clear and horribly indignant eyes and shout out, "ANTI-CATHOLIC??" "They were thrown into the deep cisterns and caves, then literally bombed to pieces. Crowbars smashed their heads. Their children were thrown into fire, scalding water, and fed to the fired lime furnaces. Other children were parted by their legs; their heads crushed against walls and their spines dashed against rocks. These and many other methods of torture were employed against the Serbs-tortures which normal people cannot conceive. Thousands of Serbian bodies floated down the Sava, Drava, and Danube rivers and their tributaries. Many of these bodies bore tags: 'Direction-Belgrade, to King Peter.' In one boat on the Sava there was a pile of children's heads, with a woman's head (presumably the mother of the children) labeled: "Meat for John's Market-Belgrade" (meaning meat for the Serbian market). A Picture of the Ustashi soldiers during World War II slowly cutting off a man's head with a hacksaw. These are Jesuits in soldiers uniforms. SEE THE PROTESTANT REFORMATOIN COME ALIVE AGAIN! Notice the other man posing with a sharp knife in his hand. From the left, a man is pointing a gun at the victim. These pictures were not taken by newsreporters. They were taken by the Ustashis themselves for the purpose of retaining glorious memories to show their commanders!! "The case of Milenka Bozinich from Stapandza is a particularly gruesome one: they dug her unborn child out of her with a knife. Then, in Bosnia, a huge pile of roasted heads was found. Utensils full of Serbian blood were also discovered; this was the hot blood of their murdered brothers that other Serbs were forced to drink. "Countless women, girls, and children were raped, mothers before daughters and daughters before mothers, while many women, girls, and female children were ushered off to Ustashi garrisons to be used as prostitutes. Rapes were committed even before the altars of the Orthodox Church. About 3,000 Serbs were murdered in the Serbian Orthodox Church at Glina, and the massacre of Serbians before the altar at Kladusha with sledge hammers is something never mentioned in history.... What happened to this woman? Her eyes had been gourged out! By whom? By the Ustashi soldiers, who were really: The same people who now often teach you, especially when you are ready to point them out, how to be courteous and kind, and how to have love in your heart! Who tell you how terrible it is to have a critical spirit and to stop resisting change orchestrated by them! Would you believe this is someone's mother? "There are detailed and official minutes (reports) about these unheard-of crimes. They are so terrible they have shocked even the Germans and Italians. Many pictures were taken of these massacres and torture orgies. The Germans claim the Croats did these same things during the Thirty-Year War and that, since then, there is a proverb in Germany: 'God save us from cholera, hunger, and the Croats.' Even the Germans from Srem [Syrmia] hate us and act more or less humanely toward the Serbs. The Italians have photographed a vessel holding 31.5 kilograms of Serbian eyes, and one Croat decorated with a wreath of Serbian eyes came to Dubrovnik with two wreaths of Serbian tongues. The person standing in the middle is about to be de-sanguinated. That means in our lingo that his blood is about to be drained from his body by the kind and loving gents around him.  The same people are now all around you performing the greatest Hollywood acting stunt known to man! "Though we Croatians shall never be able to erase this shamefulness which we brought upon ourselves with these crimes, we can at least lessen our responsibility before the world and our consciences if we raise our voices in protest against all these crimes. "This is the last hour for us to do so. After all the great crimes in history, punishments follow. What will happen to us Croats if the impression is formed that we participated in all these crimes to the finish!?"# PRIVISLAV GRIZOGONO "His legs were broken, ears cut off, eyes gourged, chest stabbed and finally the heart was extracted."  BAD NEWS! This man wasn't killed first before all those things happened to him. The Ustashis gloried over the fact that his heart was still beating when they extracted it from his chest. At Zemun, Feb. 8, 1942 # There are passages in this document relating to Croatian atrocities which are unprintable.   Here are more of what was recorded they did: "The crimes of the Ustasha documented by the Zagreb indictment included the murder of hundreds of specifically named Serbs, Gypsies, and Jews; the creation of the Jasenovac concentration camp, where hundreds of thousands of individuals were killed; and the following specific cases of barbarism: 1. Tying families by their hands with wire, forcing them into a pit, and cracking their skulls with sledgehammers; [Can you imagine this folks! They are sent into the pit, and then an executioner enters with a sledgehammer. He approaches one at a time, and one may try to dodge the hammer after which he gets hit in the shoulder and his shoulder is completely smashed. The executioner then scolds him and tells him that's what would happen if he resists. Now he tells the victim to stand still so that it can be easier on him!]     2. Operating a crematorium at Jasenovac into which persons were flung alive; 3. Herding Serbs into their Orthodox churches ... and then butchering them with knives; 4. Medical experiments into the perseverance of human organisms; 5. Slitting open the bellies of pregnant women; 6. Drinking blood from the slashed throats of the victims; 7. Inducing cannibalism among camp inmates; 8. Mutilation of the living and the dead; 9. Raping schoolgirls before their mothers, [and mothers before their daughters]; 10. Catching infants on bayonets; [Now telling us how abortion bothers them. Most such are done by non-Catholic families] 11. Inventing new methods of torture; 12. Throwing burning lime on the living in execution pits; 13. Feeding food laced with caustic soda to starving children..." WHY WERE THE USTASHI DEFENDED BY POSTERS ON THE ADVENTIST NEWSGROUP SUCH AS ANDREW, the infiltrator to Adventism from Rome, TED SEEBER, TERESITA, LAMARR EDWARDS, ALAN, KIKERS, NICHOLAS, UNBELIEVABLY! AND EVERYONE WHO CLAIMED WE CALL "EVERYONE" JESUITS! Many outrightly defended the Ustashis telling us that pictures can be faked as we showed the documentation. Andrew joined the rest in telling us that we are exhibiting the spirit of hatred and bitterness for revealing the crimes of the Ustashis and then worked to cover over their crimes by constantly accusing us of hatred WHILE REFRAINING FROM SAYING ONE BAD WORD AGAINST THE USTASHIS ON THE PUBLIC MEDIUM!! That's because all the posts are recorded by Homeland Security FOR FUTURE HOLOCAUST! Some boldly attacked us for revealing the crimes of the Ustashis and commenting that their crimes were hate unbounded. Others defended the Ustashis by making sure they said not the slightest ill word against them. They then attacked us constantly on the grounds that we were hate.

[When making a bold and breathless figment of Jack Chick's imagination lie like that, who would want to prove it?  Lies can't be proven.  Rule of them states that the Jesuit will give a very hard time providing proof for his lie.  Other administrators are there and know that he has lied.  Problem is, even with almost the entire community threatened, they will have other concerns under the power of Jack Chick's very vivid imagination...]

Mom1979: 3; what is SDA?

Swill: [Ibd Issa] You gave no proof with the incorrect statement. If it is so common, show us other links where the same thing was done.

If Shan is an SDA member posing as a Catholic, what would be his agenda for doing this? [If Shan was an Adventist posing as a Catholic, wouldn't they attack him and want to expose him?]  He became bold because he knew no one would object to his ideas. Everybody else only attacked those who didn't like what Shan said. ONLY WE were attacked. Which church did all those others belong to?

We objected to his ideas and what he posted. We were attacked on the charge of hatred. We viewed Shan's remarks as the clearest definition of hate, but everyone else attacked us for being upset with him. All these are Adventists also?

Where in history, in Adventist historical records, does it show that Adventists can do these things or kill, etc? Where does Catholic history claim that people can be burned, persecuted, etc?

If I posted what Shan did, would you be upset with Shan? How come Shan then always never experiences opposition for his hateful words except from us, and all the others only attack us for being upset about it? We are getting opposition now from your response. Will this deter Shan from doing similar things in the future? How are you going to express your concern for what Shan has done? Attack the ones who expose it or who are concerned about it? I'm an Adventist and I'm concerned about what Shan did, for EVERY OTHER RELIGION is threatened by his remarks and by the response of so many others claiming to be what they are NOT!

swill17, 5  How are you going to distance yourselves from Shan, who posted that all not Catholic should be burned? If I expose what Shan did, would you know what the words HATE and ANTI-CATHOLICISM mean? Would you then attack me?

If Shan then posts words we cannot even see on the evening news, would he merely be defined as a nut and not worth attention?  [like the Columbine kids and the VA Tech killer?  The authorities declared that dangerous writings promoting death or genocide should be taken seriously.  If not, should those who expose such writings be taken seriously?]

I tell you, if there are many more like Shan, their movement can only increase and get worse, FOR THEY ENCOUNTER NO OPPOSITION.

To our intelligent minds, we view that all who do not attack his hatred, CONTAINS HIS HATRED! All who do not condemn his beliefs, have his beliefs!

[These issues are simple when Osama or any other religious person expresses hatred and death.  But since Jack Chick's very vivid imagination is still almighty, some of the greatest self-appointed psychiatrists and pharmacists will have to become confused and will need to think.  Notice the response is coming from an administrator of the system..]

cherubino, 6: swill, Could we possibly clarify this whole discussion by defining the difference between a fact and a metaphor? Could we go even further and maybe establish some ground rules as to what constitutes verification or corroborating evidence in a statement of fact?

Cherubino
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IHOP, 7:  I didn't even know of that board, until now...how could I speak against it? I'm actually offended that I'm expected to reply to his message and condem it, when I don't browse anywhere near there.

[These present themselves always as the definers and crusaders against hate. Can they condemn Osama? Were they around him? Can they see hate on the TV? Can they condemn it there even though it is not on Beliefnet?  They are now saying that the statements of Shan did not take place on their system, therefore they don't even have to comment.  Let's see if they are talking wisdom in fact...]

swill17; 8: The very humanitarian concern does not confine you to say you are not on that board, so it can't concern you. I am not in New Orleans. Can what happened over there concern me? [Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans.  Can the situation be discussed on Beliefnet?]  Fact is, if such incidents are commented upon, people like you do come and object to it AGAINST US for exposing it. That's where the concern is different. If I'm a car dealer and someone says bad things about my product, and then I go to open the doors of one of my cars and the handle falls in my hand, that does concern me. Now it is the issue with Rome. Instead of distancing yourselves from the person who made the death curses, or to even follow the customary defining of the word HATE and ANTI-CATHOLICISM when his actions are pointed out, you guys appear confused about the definition of the word HATE except that you are ready to pile it on me!

If you have every reason to ignore the incident, you have just as much and much more to ignore those who bring it to light. Otherwise, it is good evidence that what Protestant history has always been saying is more than absolutely correct. Many of you said it isn't true. You have to ignore proof that it is true.

cove52; 9:  Swill--I believe the proper protocol here at b'net is to send a complaint to the PTB. They have an ROC here. From what you have posted regarding shan it sounds like he should have been suspended. Don't you have a moderator over there???  [Post 10 is an accidental repeat]

swill17; 11:  The issue is not over suspension. The issue is THE CONCEPT. Where did he get his ideas from. Why is he so bold. Why are so many others claiming credibility in defining the word HATE ignoring him there and everywhere else, etc. You are diverting this to an administrative issue on forums. That is not my concern. Neither is my concern because I am not Catholic. With all the things happening in the world today, why would posters be so bold, except for the fact that they are only attacked by us for making those statements?

swill17; 12:  You all are confusing the issues and consciously avoiding getting into the subject of the discussion even to show us the content of hate in Shan's words. The man is not an island to himself. Every single person that entered discussion to show great concern that we exposed him only, also believe the same things that he does.

abd_issa; 13:  Cove it's actually a completely separate website that has nothing to do with Beliefnet. "Shan" as I mentioned is more than likely a prebubescent SDA member who is trying to stir up resentment to Catholics by posing as one to fit the misconceptions they already have of us.

[That's why they are not upset with him?  If he is Adventist, all the more the word "hate" should be defined by those who were always the standard.  What do the figments of Jack Chick's very vivid imagination do when they are faced with such a question that is cultic suicide to answer honestly?]

swill17; 14:  This tactic has been used before. Therefore, if what you claim is true, do what no other like you has done. Since you claim he is an Adventist with your proof, comment specifically about the hate found in his words AND CONDEMN IT! We have been condemned too often for hate for you guys not to know what I'm talking about.

swill17; 15:  If you are quick to know what Anti-Catholicism is, and have set yourselves up as definers of hate when it is revealed that people with Shan's thoughts actually number in the millions (though the minority of the Catholic Church at large), how quick are you to condemn some of the worst most hatefully collected words known to man being boldly posted on the internet?

cove52; 16:  I am a little suspicious of your real reasons for posting this here. Abd made a comment in his post stating that shan (or should we call him sham?) is a fraud. I am inclinded to believe him.

[The Jesuit is going to condemn something now, BUT HE IS NOT GOING TO CONDEMN SHAN!...]

abd_issa; 17:  Swill I condemn all SDA's who masquerade as Catholics to stir up hate. I condemn all SDA's who call for violence in any form. Is that good enough for you?

[Notice he will not condemn Shan specifically.  He has to generalize.  That is because he agrees with what Shan has posted.  Why condemn them?  Is that because they are not "Conspiracy Theorists??"  Indeed it is because Shan IS NOT AN INFILTRATOR FROM ADVENTISM why this figment of Jack Chick's very vivid imagination will condemn an imagination and leave Shan alone!]

swill17; 17: Of course it's not good enough for me. I'm not a stupid heretic. Everyone who cannot see the worst collected words of hate and condemn them specifically, are in favor with those words. Neither do I suspect that if you see words of hate from Osama you will have to be suspicious of everything or anything else to redirect the proper accusation of hate back against the wrong people. It is because a person who claims to be Catholic has condemned more people than even Osama did why you are so now confused over the definition.

Who then, is the following person who claims to be an Adventist! He saw the death curses and took the same recourse to move the proper accusations of hate from Shan to us. His name is ANDREW...
http://www.TheirSecrets.info/
AC/AppealChapAndrew.htm

cove52; 18: Wait a minute...This stuff isn't even being posted at b'net. LOL...Oh well. The only advice I can give you is the advice I have been given in the past when I complained about anti-Catholic attacks...Oh boo hoo, too bad for you. You'll just have to live with it. Swill--If you wish to believe one or two posters on a talk board who CALIM to be Catholic, that is your choice, Another suggestion, stop going to that talk board. Good luck!!!

swill17; 19: Hey, if you want to believe that people who don't want the real inquisition to come again to the bloodletting of millions are a terror to society that awakens your paranoia, unlike the words of hate that you agree with, then BOO HOOO! Don't complain anymore about the ANTI-CATHOLIC fantasy. Just live with the fact that Rome will be exposed all the more because of her nature. You claimed that only a few nuts believe what we show. The evidence in a complete series show that much more support it, even on forums! If you want these NUTS to be defended so that they can keep up their boldness even through your response, then people will expose them AND YOU. Boo HOO!

[Jesuit Oath says to persist.  Once very easy discussions cannot be figured out by monsters, the Jesuit Oath says ultimately those monsters have to acquire psychiatric credentials and hold all the reigns of political correctness.]

IHOP; 20: swill, I honestly don't know how to repond. I'm going to take you at your word, and hope you don't use my wrods to twist against me. Catholisism is against murder. Anyone who states otherwise is lying. Catholisism is also against lying. That person should not have written this. (Whatever religion he may be).
 

[As we have always said and the Jesuits always obey, it has to come sooner or later. HERE IT COMES...]

cove52; 21: (roll eyes) I can't believe I allow myself to get caught up in this swill...Oooops, I mean this type of hatefilled anti-Catholic rhetoric.

[...Four hundred years of the same lie and six nights of fun! The odds of going to heaven is six to none???]

cove52; 22: IHOP--Good try, but it is all a sham. I believe swill has an agenda and we are just feeding it. I am out of here.

IHOP; 23: K me 2

[Could that agenda be trying to find human qualities from the figments of Jack Chick's very vivid imagination?  They now claim it is time to leave.  They always do this and never obey it. Others were then sent to track us as the Jesuits again conclude that "nuts" should be given no attention except when those "nuts" are telling the truth.]

swill17; 24: How come you guys for years always obey our commands? I sent the posts and the evidence, you all swarm in because of some great concern. You then see someone you claim is not Catholic downing your church as you claim. I come for years telling you guys that first opportunity you will dismiss this grossest of hate and accuse those who expose it with the crime, AND YOU OBEY IT! If we can ignore nuts who are bold enough to decree death upon millions based on not holding their religious viewpoints, we can ignore those who expose these things. There is a difference of concern. Killers will not be concerned about other killers. They will be concerned about anyone who might even be able to stop the killings. Anti-Catholicism EVERYWHERE except in those who still to this day from the darkest periods, boldly post that all non-Catholics must die. Do we know why they are so bold.

Fellas, the next thing to do now is to persist in the absurdity and define paranoia and hatred for us some more and tell us what we must be concerned with.

If an Adventist even comes to down the Catholic Church, make sure you don't specifically condemn the hate he issues since that same hate was practiced by Rome for centuries. Attack those who would expose it so that those nuts can do it again! BOO HOO!

swill17; 25: You guys approached my posts for a reason. The reason was, CONCERN! No one could have told you to not even come here, but ignore the issue.

swill17; 26: Here's another link with more people who saw the death curses and moved heaven and earth to make sure any defining of hate only came to us:
http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC/AppealChapII.htm

The next progressive link afterwards actually shows why certain strange people can only condemn those who expose the worst of killers who issue the worst of hate. It shows that the government is tied into their behavior.

[Remember that the Jesuits already have a nack for claiming to know their enemies inside out.  Remember that at other times they can make a pretense of being very dunce...]

Long-Tailed_Cat; 26: Who is Shan? Do you know Shan personally? How do you know Shan is Catholic? Did he say he was? Even if he did, does that mean he's telling the truth? What makes you think what Shan says or does is anything but Shans personal stupidity? Is Shan the Pope, or an envoy from the Vatican? Because you seem to think his word is Catholic law.

[When they see Protestants going into the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation pointing only to Rome as being the Antichrist, who are those Protestants?  Do they know them personally?  Do they know the presenters are Protestant?  Even if they are, does that mean they are telling the truth?  What makes them think that Prostestant exposition of the prophecies is telling the truth?  What makes them think that what those Protestants say or do is anything else but their own stupidity?  Is any Protestant truthful or represent Anti-Catholicism?  Do they seem to think that what Protestants say when showing the meaning of the prophecies, they represent all Protestants?  Does Osama represent all the Taliban?]

swill17; 27: Who is Shan? Who am I? I post death curses against everyone by Islamic terrorists and no one is confused! They all know where hate is! Do they accuse me of Anti-Islamisism? Why are they always only confused when Jack Chick and the Dr. Alberto Rivera are correct! But then they know who I am! They know how I'm full of hate!

 

[Now, to distract, someone who already claimed to know everything about me and my insides has to pretend that he doesn't know anything...]

cherubino; 28: swill, Could you start be explaining exactly what you mean by a death curse? Is this some sort of a magical incantation by dint of which unseen forces will attack one's enemies, like a witch doctor sticking pins in a voodoo doll? Do you yourself believe in that sort of magic? Would it surprise you to find out that outside of a few areas in the Third World, hardly any Catholics believe in that stuff?

I think the main reason you've been having trouble communicating with people here is that you're coming across as someone who believes that this sort of spiritualism has a solid basis in fact, and that Catholics believe that too.

[Believe what?  They know what was said?  Why no comment that Rome believed and practiced what was said for well over a millenia??]

Well, the vast majority of them flatly don't, so if you want to get your points across to them, you might want to find out what they actually do believe and address your remarks within that frame of reference.

[Well the vast majority of Orientals don't believe what the VA Tech killer wrote!  Well the vast majority of White kids don't believe what the Columbine kids wrote!  Orientals don't have a history of carrying out what Shan wrote for 1600 years!]

swill17; 29: Stop confirming what Jack Chick has said! If you don't need to ask questions when Islamists say that all others must die, we are not stupid to think that you need to ask questions when Jack Chick is right and tells us that you guys have not changed for centuries.

You guys accused me naturally of hate and anti-Catholicism with no questions asked because I didn't like others posting that all non-Catholics must die. Just answer why this is so and stop confirming what Jack Chick has said and we will get to the bottom of anything. If you claim to know me as you all have already judged, without asking any questions, you can know those who posted that all not of their faith must die!

[Now the one asking questions seems to be able to know just who cannot communicate.  Even psychiatrist administrators on forums from Jack Chick's very vivid imagination trail and track people who cannot communicate.  If they didn't know what I was talking about, no wonder they are here...]

Cherubimo: I think the main reason you've been having trouble communicating with people here is that you're coming across as someone who believes that this sort of spiritualism has a solid basis in fact, and that Catholics believe that too.

SWill: Above shows why it is hard to communicate. Because only when Catholic killers are exposed do you guys pretend to be confused before you claim to know those who expose them like an open book. It was said already that Shan is merely an Adventist doing a common tactic to defame Rome. Why then not condemn Shan and his hate? Why when I asked for the links to show it is common for people to condemn all non-Catholics to extermination to be actually Adventists no one can tell you guys that you need to provide proof for what you claim? After accusing me then of hatred and Anti-Catholicism in showing the world you know me well, why can't you answer my clear questions?

[They made sure naturally that they never answered this point nor gave an explanation for the fantastic and breathless lie of abd Issa. Of course, the Jesuit Oath commands them to persist.]

swill17; 30: If you guys truly as Jack Chick said, you will have to obey the Jesuit Oath and continue to be confused only about killers, but be clear against those who expose them, and you will have to constantly ask questions. You will have to continue to persist in showing you don't know anything nor how to judge when the most hateful words from the most hateful tribe are shown. You will then have to persist in only accusing those who expose them of their characteristics.

cherubino; 31: swill, I haven't accused you of anything. I'm simply at a loss to understand what you mean by a death curse, and why you seem to be assuming that Catholics believe in such things at all.

[I didn't say that all Catholics believe this!  They didn't assume that all Muslims believed the threats of Osama Bin Laden!  That is not the point!  We don't wait to expose terrorists to Homeland Security by first trying to figure out if all Muslims believe ANYTHING.  The same is true of historical super-terrorists!]

So tell us, if you would, what the term "death curse" means to you and how one might go about implementing one. And please don't misunderstand where I'm coming from. I'm not a Catholic, and my bailiwick is the sociology of knowledge.

[He is not a Catholic!  He wouldn't be asking the questions he is asking if the terrorist making death threats was a Muslim or a member of any other religion though!]

lizdexia21; 32: Swill - here's the thing. Someone could be claim to be a Catholic, in fact, even believe themselves to be Catholic, and still be an ignorant bigoted moron.

[Again, we don't care who the person is!  The worst death threats that dominated the earth for some 1600 years were posted publicly on the internet AFTER the establishment of the Patriot Act in our "NEW" climate of terror!  The Patriot Act not only did not deter these people from posting those death threats, but they showed us instead that it made them more willing to post it!  The self same people asking these idle questions will then be terrified of no-fly-zones?  YES!!]

Anyone who threatens death or implies death is warrented against another person or group of people based upon their beliefs is a bigot, or a lunatic, or in the online world, quite often a troll. Even if this person claims to be representing Catholic teaching, I assure you they are either insane or lying. While I realize you have no incentive to believe me (and it seems clear you do have your own agenda here) the Catechism is widely available online and I promise you will find no commands to burn (or in any other way kill, torture or maim - or even to show unkindness to) non-Catholics.

[Key to the deception:  If that were true, the one posing as Catholic they would condemn!]

swill17; 33: But that is not true! Why be at a loss. You guys already know me and said that I am full of hate and Anti-Catholicism just because I alerted you to a post filled with profanity that said that non-Catholics should all be burned because they are damned anyway! Don't tell me you're confused about anything. You all accused me of hatred and Anti-Catholicism without any confusion or questions asked. You don't do that with Islamist killers nor any other killers. None of those others make you confused. None of the questions I have asked have been answered, yet we must believe your judgments about what you claim is my hatred and Anti-Catholicism. We send this information to honest Catholics too, for they need to know what is going on. Just tell us what Shan wrote and explain it to us telling us what hatred is. What I ask is very simple unless Jack Chick is correct. You have to continue to pretend to be dumb, until it is time to judge what I am.

swill17; 34: We waited for multiplied centuries--more than a millenia--for you guys to understand that all not of your religion should not be killed. How can you all understand what I'm saying now?

lizdexia21; 35: Swill, no one here thinks non-Catholics should be killed. Hell, I;d wager a good percentage of us don't believe that only Catholics are in heaven. How many times do you have to be told that one lunatic poster on a Yahoo message board does not represent the world's Catholics? In case you missed the gist of my first post to you, I soundly condemn any hatred, whether spoken by a Catholic or not.

[Key to the deception:  We never mentioned that the world's Catholics believe nor support this position.  Neither did we condemn Osama to have them approach us telling us that the world's Muslims do this!  The Jesuit knows this.]

abd_issa; 36: To everyone here... When I was about 5 or so, some friends and I found a baby python snake under a tree. We cornered it and watched it hiss and lunge at us. But as it was small, we could easily hop back out of harms way before it could strike. We enjoyed getting as close as we could to make it coil and lunge and went at it for awhile. But after awhile, we realized it was just a baby snake. And there was really no sport in it, so we all just went home. OK?

Buggsy; 37: Every board needs a comedian - this one is already overcrowded

swill17; 38: lizdexia21, I am not a stupid heretic. If you see mandates of genocide against all non-Catholics that downs your cult and then have the guts to accuse only the one who exposes it for the saving of life, you believe that all non-Catholics must die. Christ did not say that men are what they say they are. Men are revealed by their actions. You also still consistently, as for years, forget to answer the questions that were asked you. You all have provided no proof that Adventists commonly post death curses against all non-Catholics in order to defame Rome.

[Neither will he answer even that point. The Jesuits are not required to engage in any suicide mission to their organization.]

lizdexia21: In case you missed the gist of my first post to you, I soundly condemn any hatred, whether spoken by a Catholic or not.

[He will always miss someone like Shan though.  Throughout history, slaughtering non-Catholics was NEVER viewed as either hatred or murder by Rome!]

SWill: If that were true and you saw the outrageous words not found on TV, you would have condemned it. All those who issued the death curses generalize how they don't support hatred or death. Another named Ted Seeber did this. You guys specifically condemned me for hatred. You were asked to specifically show the words of death and to condemn them. We were trained to know that the Jesuits use mental reservation. They may even say they condemn every hateful sentence of the death curses, but actually mean that any hateful sentence that is hateful TO THEM should be condemned.

You were asked specific questions. You have to pretend they are not there. You have to pretend that your words dictate how you believe or feel when only with Catholic killers you have to send people east, west, north and south to even understand what is being said. A number of occasions I remember it reported that a man was arrested at an airport for joking about a bomb. What should happen to someone who says the words on the posts that Shan wrote? If you all can condemn and judge me of hate and anti-Catholicism with no strings or no confusion attached, you can do that with your claim of "Adventists" who post that all non-Catholics must die.

[Need now some evasion on more pressing Jesuit concerns...]

cherubino; 39: swill, Why are you addressing me as "you guys"? I haven't said any of those things to you. I just want to know what a death curse is so that I can uravel this web of accusations in which the factual and the metaphorical are very confusingly intertwined, and figure out what you're trying to say here. Just to humor me for a moment, could you pretend that I'm a police detective and that you're reporting a crime? Would you pause for a moment and re-articulate your charges in terms that someone who doesn't believe in the efficacy of curses can relate to?

swill17; 40: Answer the questions I have given you and give no more shows. What is there to unravel. Show what happens when you are given death curses by Muslims who want America or even worse, all else dead. Answer the questions and no longer let me repeat myself as people have dealt with you guys for centuries. Is it that confusion that allowed you guys to kill so marvellously for centuries? I was already accused of hate-filled bigotry and anti-Catholicism without all that confusion.

Tell us what Shan said. Answer the point.  Ibda said where he claimed that Adventists commonly make death curses while pretending to be Catholic. I have asked him to prove that, but you guys are too busy closing the book on me with accusations of hate, that you are too confused with very simple questions in our day of anti-terrorism. I have repeated these before. Don't come back to me with your confusion. It has been played for more than a thousand years already. Time is wasting.

[Now this is very significant. It correlates with the documentation we have of the other super-criminals on the newsgroups after time posting how they were in favor with death. In response to Ted Seeber and others posting that all non-Catholics must die, they began to teach us that all men die. In response Susan had to post to them to prove that all men die only when Catholic killers are exposed. They replied asking for us to prove that all non-Catholics DON'T DIE! (meaning don't die naturally of old age.) This one now has to post that he favors death in order to protect the killers...]

Long-Tailed_Cat; 41: Hell, I believe all sorts of people ought to be killed. Doesn't have anything to do with wether or not thier Catholic though.

[SO DOES OSAMA!  The problem is that such people don't belong posting on forums!

Are these the same ones crying out change and then telling us we must "love even our enemies" when we are defeating them on the internet and showing who they are??  Are these the definers of hate who want all sorts of people to be killed?  Now is time for jokes and anything else to dismiss the pressing concern of the killers in order to attack the very pressing Jesuit concern about those who would expose them...]

gilg; 42: swill17, I have explained your problem to Mr. Noable, his knowledge of historical curses and his power is unbelievable. Out of concern for justice he has performed a counter curse and all spells and curses directed at you and others have been neutralized. You may now sleep and walk comfortable knowing that no human curse can now touch you. Mr. Noable is a man motivated by justice so he does not charge for his services, even though it took much effort for him to do this act of kindness. If you want to show your gratitude, you may send $20. to the Salvation Army, but this is not required.

Peace to you and all.

swill17; 43: Long-Tailed_Cat 41, You felt that way when Son of Sam was exposed? Did you have these strange cravings when people revealed to you jihads from the Islamists or Osama? Or do you get these vibes only when Catholic killers are exposed?

Gilg, post 42: I have explained your problem to Mr. Noable, his knowledge of historical curses and his power is unbelievable.

Swill: I have explained your problem where every Catholic killer exposed reveals hatred in everyone but the killer.

gilg: Out of concern for justice he has performed a counter curse and all spells and curses directed at you and others have been neutralized.

Swill: Have you cured the Antichrist of wanting all not Catholic dead first? How come everyone else has a problem just because you guys get confused because a Catholic tells us all not of his faith must die? Are there other things you are well able to condemn without confusion?

gilg: You may now sleep and walk comfortable knowing that no human curse can now touch you.

Swill: When can servants of the Antichrist rest when Catholic killers are exposed? When will they ever disagree with those killers?

gilg: Mr. Noable is a man motivated by justice so he does not charge for his services, even though it took much effort for him to do this act of kindness. If you want to show your gratitude, you may send $20. to the Salvation Army, but this is not required.

Swill: Christ will not be as kind with any killer, especially those trained for centuries to kill His own people. Did you recommend this killer for Islamist Jihadists? Did their death threats empty all contents from your skull also?

gilg: Peace to you and all.

Swill: If they are not Catholics also?

[Everything else must be interesting and a concern except the unchanged killers...]

shirleyj227; 44: Swill, What are you saying here? What do you want to get across? Shirley

shirleyj227; 45: Swill, "We waited for multiplied centuries" Who is the we? Shirley

cherubino; 46: Shirley, Here's the link that swill gave us in post # 16. Other links are here , here , here and here .

swill, One way you can greatly improve your communication effort is to learn HTML hyperlinking. An excellent tutorial is here .

[When the truth is told, Jesuits will obsess upon things they don't understand. At this point in time, they are setting up to taunt us by, as usual and again, making weird fonts and frivolous points because of issues they claim they don't understand in their obsession.  The following is a depiction of what they actually did with the fonts.  They deleted the thread before we can copy the actual font formats.  They can never rationally debate an excuse for their existence for centuries.  Other things will always be necessary.  All this because they claim they cannot understand what I am saying, but they know me as hateful like an opened book.  They love to taunt their enemies.  What then must we think when we see a Patriot publication showing a picture of a black helicopter flying above a patriot's house taunting him?  The patriot claimed that the person in the helicopter was taunting him showing their control of the federal government.

YOU ALL NEEDED TO KNOW WHAT THE INQUISITIONS WERE LIKE!!

NOTICE THAT WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO SEE IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE AGAINST BROTHER TED AT THE RANDI RHODES MESSAGE BOARD!...]

Buggsy; 47: Cherubino Do you have a link to a html tutor on bolds, italics and colouring?

Buggsy; 48: Like this and this

Buggsy; 49: Got it !

cherubino; 50: Buggsy, Yes indeedee See this

Buggsy; 51: I tried that one and found it too wordy thisis much simpler

Buggsy; 52: THISis much simpler

Buggsy; 53: Still takin' baby steps

Buggsy; 54: Halleluia Bros.

[What are they doing?  They are demonstrating another attribute of the servants of the Antichrist that always move to define hate: showing the documented scornfulness of the sect.  Trust me, to them it's better to do this than answer the questions honestly!...]

Buggsy; 55: ooopps.... forgot.... no shouting on Bnet

cherubino; 56: That's 'cause I put a curse out on all HTML klutzes.

JOE1234; 57: baby steps

Buggsy; 58: So . . . as an anglican am I not spared swill's wrath

JOE1234; 59: I did it!

swill17; 61: What a joke! All this in Anti-Catholicism paranoia because Catholics are always posting that everyone else must die! This tragedy makes psychiatrists overnight who see that everyone else needs help!

swill17; 62: Where is the proof again that the people who posted that all non-Catholics must die, and who supported it are Adventists? Ibda said that they were Adventists and it was common for Adventist to do this. When we showed proof even from the IP numbers that Jesuits do this, they used the "conspiracy theorist" words. Where is the link proving this again? Please stop a minute with your bellowing pleas that everyone else needs help to ascertain the question.

[They have never answered any of the questions they know would prove Jack Chick is right.  It is not an accident that they can see everything else, even about the hate in us, except our questions.  THAT IS HOW THE INQUISITIONS WERE RUN!]

cherubino; 63: swill, Well, this is one of the links you provided for us as a reference. For someone such as myself who knows very little about Adventists' beliefs, it definitely gives the impression that these people are very excitable.

[Cherubino, the person who didn't know what a death curse was, suddenly now becomes very knowledgeable??

Those excitable people would trail the posts of someone they constantly claim they don't understand?]

IHOP; 64: SWill: You believe that all non-Catholics must die. IHOP: Noone here said that.

[Neither did Susan say she hated all Catholics just because she was upset that some Jesuits posted that all non-Catholics must die!]

Who are Jack Chick and the Dr. Alberto Rivera? Who is the "son of sam?" Who is Sam?

[Time again for more fluent lies that only benefits the foundation of strange institutions...]

I don't understand why we are to blame for this Shan guy- on a completely different board.

[We don't understand why we have to be blamed for the fact that this guy made those death curses that ruled the world for 1600 years!]

He said I disagree with Rome. I want you Harlot Bitch Whore SUSAN and your cohorts to die. ALL ADVENTISTS, LATTER DAY MORONS AND JEHOVAH'S NUTNESSES ARE FROM SATAN AND MUST DIE. Shan

Note the use of the pronoun I and note that he disagrees with the teachings of Rome, that makes him a noncatholic.

[THEN CONDEMN WHAT HE SAID AS A NON-CATHOLIC!

Of course, he is also boldly lying.  How come no other jesuit mentioned this before?  How come all the more he is non-Catholic, no jesuit can be upset with him for embarrassing Rome?  Why is Jack Chick's imagination so almighty vivid?]

He is not claiming any support from the Catholic Church. I repeat: Catholisism is against murder. Catholisism is against lying.

[Note the statement of Shan claiming that anyone who attacks his faith (Catholicism) will be punished many folds?  HE'S A NON-CATHOLIC!  GREAT!  NOW SHAN CAN MORE READILY BE CONDEMNED FOR HATE by these figments of Jack Chick's very vivid imagination!  I am a non-Catholic and they did not hesitate to accuse me of hate!  How come only those who expose him can be condemned??  From the evidence already given, this killer claims Shan says he disagrees with Rome.  Did you see it?  Where?  He proves that Catholicism is against lying, by lying. Nowhere did Shan say or imply that he wasn't Catholic. Look at the title of even the first example given in our expose that was posted by Shan on the newsgroups:...]
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.adventist/msg/6c208b6db16e1159?hl=en

From: Shan (shankarees@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: #DEVIL SUSAN ANGRY COULDN'T PROVE ROME DEMANDS DEATHS OF ALL NON-CATHOLICS!

IHOP; 65: sorry about the bold mistake. Only "I" and the last paragraph shouldve been bolded.

swill17; 66: First notice like all the other forums, they profess that people who claim all non-Catholics must die are nuts and never should be given attention. They already claimed that I am, but they give too much attention. Here, they claim are two nuts. But one will be treated differently. You can ask them why, because we tried.

IHOP: Who are Jack Chick and the Dr. Alberto Rivera? Who is the "son of sam?" Who is Sam?

SWill: Oh so you really don't know anything about me nor anything else? You're not smart now? A new minute has passed? Schizophrenia?

IHOP: I don't understand why we are to blame for this Shan guy- on a completely different board.

[Why did they all swarm over to my posts exposing this guy?  Why am I to blame that Rome has not changed?]

Swill: Just because you follow so many other message boards and will only accuse those who reveal the killer's death curse as being hateful, mentally unstable and hating all Catholics?

IHOP: He said I disagree with Rome. I want you Harlot Bitch Whore SUSAN and your cohorts to die. ALL ADVENTISTS, LATTER DAY MORONS AND JEHOVAH'S NUTNESSES ARE FROM SATAN AND MUST DIE. Shan

Note the use of the pronoun I and note that he disagrees with the teachings of Rome, that makes him a noncatholic. He is not claiming any support from the Catholic Church.

Swill: Notice that I complain about a Catholic who posted that all non-Catholics must die? Notice that the links show other Catholics posting the same thing? See? I'm not hateful. I don't want anyone to die. I haven't posted anything like that. See? By the way, Issa already took the postings of Shan off the board because he claimed it was horrific. Why did you post a portion of it here and know that I am hateful?

IHOP: I repeat: Catholisism is against murder. Catholisism is against lying.

[MENTAL RESERVATION!  For centuries it was never considered MURDER for Rome to exterminate non-Catholics.  For centuries it was never considered a lie to lie if the lie is in support of Rome!  We already showed you Teresita who posted that killing non-Catholics was not hate, but was "just BUSINESS!"]

Swill: I repeat, men and organizations will be shown not by even their history of lies. Before the Massacre of St. Bartholomew, Rome said that she had changed and she no longer wants anyone not of her faith dead. She then murdered most all the protestants in her area.

I repeat. I am not a lunatic nor hateful because I don't like Catholics posting that all non-Catholics must die. I am not just a nut, like you claim Seeber and Shan are and therefore need your constant attention and trailing posts, just because you tell me that Shan, because he is a nut, doesn't need your attention.

Buggsy; 68: swill Your schticke is wearing thin. You just gotta get some new material

[I again have the super-criminals of the Vatican desperately trailing her posts after classing her as a nut, and she need new material??]

cherubino; 69: swill, Actually, I was trying to be helpful by providing hyperlinks to your sources so that everyone here could access them easily and learn more about Adventism. And I really want to thank you for sharing this information and this with us. Very informative.

[Does Cherubino understand that was not the point?  Of course!]

Buggsy; 70: Cherubino Swill, Is that offical Seven Day Adventist material? I went to the official SDA site and I couldn't find anything remotely resembling anything in this thread.

[As we can see they expended time and energy to go to the official SDA website before even understanding some simple questions!]

Long-Tailed_Cat; 71: I like that little gif of the angle with the lightsabre. Its purple too. I guess now we know what happened to Mace Windu after he got blown out the window in Revenge of the Sith.

swill17; 72: Cherubimo, That's what you say. Why not be helpful to all the readers by listening to what I have said. So far it appears there is an amazing deafness equal to that of the Inquisitions:

What is on the links? What is contained therein that makes you guys flock to me, ask me questions telling me the many things you don't understand other than that you know me from infancy and know I am hateful, mentally challenged and hate all Catholics.

swill17; 73: Buggsy, You guys are going everywhere. Just simmer down. If you keep this up and don't listen to the simple instructions I give to just go to the links, tell us what they say and guage the hate content for us, you will believe the whole world is sick and nutty except genocidal killers! Am I too late?

JOE1234; 74: YES, I believe you've missed the boat.

swill17; 75: You bet! I'm not a genocidal killer! Thanks for the compliment. Others have said that, meaning that I'm nuts. They said the same thing about Shan, for posting against the lives of all not of his faith. But they said since Shan was a nut, he is no problem and no concern. Why am I different again? I have so many problems, according to you guys, I distinctly remember asking this question several times.

Long-Tailed_Cat; 76:Swill We are treating you and what you say exatly like you should have treated Shan and what we said - if we were acting like you, we'd go to an SDA board and demand the people there apologize on behalf of all SDA everywhere for your idiocy.

[Is it true that it was always useless in history to talk to the Inquisitors?  They are treating me as a nut and leaving me alone?]

Swill: Cherubimo just warned me about the rules of conduct with name-calling. Now, if Shan posted that all non-Catholics must die, why must I listen to you to ignore him when you all found a greater problem that I take his words seriously. In my world and in this free country there is never an excuse for using words like that. From what guideliness do you tell me I must yawn at his words, and you guys looked at my words and called me hate-filled and Anti-Catholic? The guideliness you looked at for me to ignore shan is Homeland Security or something?

swill17, 78: Show me the precedent, show me the document of ethics or law that says I am supposed to treat as nothing someone who says all non-Catholics must die, but then if anyone is upset at the person for saying that, he is public enemy number one. I want the reference from any other period but the Inquisitions. Do you see the question I'm asking? Find it from Homeland Security, the Baptist Church, the Methodist Church, the ACLU or whatever.

[These questions are years too tough to see!...]

Buggsy; 79: swill By repeating all that time all non-catholics must diesomeone's eventually gonna ask you if any catholics - in an offical catholic role if there is such a thing the average cave dweller - have killed non-catholics just because they're non-catholics. If you can't produce an example than this is all just gum-flappin' Like I said B4 man . . . . you need some new material . . . a new schtick

[There are centuries of examples.  Show the Ustashis, and the Ustashis become invisible and only one "hateful" person is seen.  But here, Buggsy struggles to condemn Shan more, but just, again, merely says he's crazy.  The word HATE, very critical for the resurging Inquisition about to come was deliberately left out.]

Swill: If you keep saying that those upset about Catholics posting that all non-Catholics must die are hate-filled and hate all Catholics without producing some book of ethics that says all are to just laugh something like that off and arrest anyone who jokes about a bomb in an airport, then you just don't know what you're talking about.

Show me where people concerned about human life are such a threat compared to those saying the same words of practice of death for centuries. I have asked before, was it Homeland Security that taught you guys to only attack anyone concerned about such horrible words of genocide against billions?

[They were therefore saying that Shan is nuts, therefore he should be ignored.  Abd Issa then came out with the fabulous lie that Shan is an infiltrator sent from the Adventist Church to embarrass Rome enough so that he should be ignored.  Cherubimo is not going to notice that being an infiltrator requires intelligence and deliberation.]

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