A "conspiracy theorist" is a person who even believes it is possible for the United States Federal government to become treasonous and tyrannical. Such a person would likely write something called the United States Constitution and put the Second Amendment in it, having no thought whatsoever of Middle Eastern Muslim men who would naturally hate us because we are free. He would aim to arm the American people just in case the opposite direction (the government) hates them because they are free.

A conspirator or conspirator propagandist works day and night to prove it is impossible for the government to become tyrannical or treasonous. He may not say this in words, but although often feigning to be in an urgent crusade for others to disagree, the conspirator would work persistently day and night to attack anyone who comes to that idea, while attacking the idea itself.

A conspirator is akin to the worst enemies of liberty and to America. A conspirator would favor secret courts, government snooping and surveillance and torture like the Communists and Nazis always have, whether there is need for this because of disasters or not. If conditions ever work out where America adopts these policies for security, tis not to be doubted that a propaganda team would be added also as the Nazis and Communists always had. Such a team is not interested in the truth, for the truth would destroy him also. He would therefore persistently send lies to the American people and evade and divert from simple questions that show the truth of what is going on.

A "conspiracy theorist" knows it is impossible for the United States to fall without visible signs. He knows the only signs he would ever see of approaching disaster are government lies, scandals, coverups and constitutional tampering. If America is falling, these things would become more bold and frequent even when honest citizens growingly complain about it. Any in high positions who are causing these things, would claim they respect "democracy" or what the people think. The complaints of the people however, and even their votes shown recently concerning the wars would prove that they actually don't respect the people.

A conspirator is noted for making sure government lies, scandals, coverups and constitutional tampering get worse year after year. Every moment in every broadcasting media that we hear this urgent cry against the bad 'ol "conspiracy theorists," is the same these signs of impending disaster get worse and worse. This is not the work of the "conspiracy theorist," who often endures railings of how much mental help and medicinal help he needs, but it is the work of the conspirator. A conspirator would not attack people in government who routinely lie, coverup or tamper with the Constitution. He will waste all his energies to attack those who don't like this.

A "conspiracy theorist" never has power nor is placed in a position of power. That means that every catastrophe taking place against America today is only happening because of the conspirator and not the "conspiracy theorist":

A "conspiracy theorist" would not tremble if he sees a defeated dictator playing with his rubber-ducky in no-fly-zones--especially one that he just recently beat the brains out of and "bombed into the Stone Age." Neither would he get a great eagle to stage false wars to finally prove in global history through a full 5 years that defeated dictators are invincible. A "conspiracy theorist" would not break into a mortuary to fight five years with the corpses there to get some kind of emotional high upon victory. From what we see in world events, a conspirator would!

A "conspiracy theorist" would not accept principles of security the Communists and Nazis always had: secret courts/trials, government snooping, torture, etc. and then pretend he himself is not a Communist or Nazi. He knows you have to be a Communist or Nazi to dream up using their principles for American security. Only such people would claim the 1978 FISA laws are outdated, to then rehash principles of security the Nazis and Communists always had, to make them lightbearers to global security without giving them the credit for the ideas.

A "conspiracy theorist" would not except [accept] the idea of "pre-emptive war" the Communists and Nazis always held, to be global policemen, and then stage wars like them to save innocent lives where the result again would be more innocent lives lost than before the wars they staged. The Third Reich also had this very depressing problem.

If a tragedy like 911 takes place, a "conspiracy theorist" would stage a major independent investigation RIGHT AWAY. A conspirator, would make excuses to hopefully make sure there is no such investigation at all. When forced to investigate he will stage the investigation late, refuse to testify under oath, or, all the while, covering over his treason by being very concerned about the mental health of those who would stage an independent investigation right away. A "conspiracy theorist" views that major investigations must be staged immediately so that evidence can be fresh.

A "conspiracy theorist" would not go irate if president George Bush is being "hated" or "bashed" but then fall asleep if that president claims he can destroy anyone even in secret on his whim without that person even being able to defend himself or show his innocence. Even if he is a perfect president and knows all things, a "conspiracy theorist" would not give him that power. A conspirator however, would give even a president who makes wrong decisions all the time the power to destroy any or all Americans on a whim. If we are suffering from many things to this date, be advised that it is not because of the "conspiracy theorist". A "conspiracy theorist" would favor the many over the few. He would defend the American public and not the few who would remove their liberties and not because they love the American public.

Since Communists and Nazis always hated our soldiers, a conspirator would also hate our soldiers. He would foment or defend wars created to purge out undesirable soldiers who are loyal to the Constitution, and would never think of going after Osama Bin Laden as these soldiers are dying. Conspirators are even asked on the internet to urge the pristine and untouched Communists militaries to defend their new-found freedom in Iraq. They also evade and pretend they are not being asked. No one wants to hear a horrible sound louder than the sound of nuclear bombs exploding when the Russians roll on the floor laughing after being asked if they would agree to defend their new-found freedoms in Iraq. Better to wait and let the good Constitutional soldiers be purged out, and then afterward attack us as they have always promised to do after the wars staged with their own financing are successful and they destroy the American military without firing a single shot because of an already defeated dictator that was playing with his rubber-ducky in no-fly-zones.

The internet is filled with such people who blame Bill Clinton for Osama being free, but then refuse to answer when they are asked to urge Bush to go after Osama Bin Laden. I never, with most of the American people, even knew the name Osama Bin Laden before Bush came and 911 happened. After the danger Osama posed was known, and the American people came to Bush to capture him, Bush promised he would get Osama "dead or alive." Bush then later did what no other president did, by boldly and publicly saying he will not go after Osama. Since that time, every attack Osama himself even threatens to make is even against people struggling with this president to make him stop taking Arab and Muslim blood overseas, and not against that president himself. Bush doesn't go after Osama, and Osama returns the favor. Bush's propagandists demonstrated conspicuously over the internet that they want Osama to remain free.

A "conspiracy theorist" would not make you want to attend Osama Bin Laden's Thanksgiving dinner this year in order to ask him if he thinks president Bush is great on security. Neither will he ask Osama Bin Laden at his next year's celebration.

A "conspiracy theorist" long knew that the soldiers were unprotected in Iraq, and sat in pins and needles as the ones who constantly gave him mental diagnoses could not figure that out. Knowing the danger, a "conspiracy theorist" would not order his soldiers to go joy-riding here and there every moment in unprotected vehicles as the conspirator couldn't help doing. He would even suspend operations till the improvements are made.

A "conspiracy theorist" would not be angry at a soldier for asking Donald Rumsfeld why they have to dig in landfills for body armor protection in the most expensive war yet, and then assume that soldier asked the question merely to embarrass Rumsfeld or the President. Conspirators have done this. A "conspiracy theorist" would not be dumb enough to believe soldiers would rather jeopardize their lives than ask those who put them in harm's way simple questions that can save their lives.

A "conspiracy theorist" would not know that an oilman is president and then can't figure out why oil prices are unprecedented throughout the entire history of America, but then fall only just before election time. A conspirator not only would not be able to figure out why this is so, but he will work day and night to make sure no one else figures out why this is so.

A "conspiracy theorist" would not favor the "fight 'em there or fight 'em here" propaganda or the idea that wars are to defend our freedom especially after we lost the Vietnam war under the same terms and had to cope with tyranny ever since.

A "conspiracy theorist" would not have a habit of destroying evidence, in this case the FBI interrogation tapes, even with the claim that it must be done to protect the identities of the interrogators after already outing a CIA operative whose name is Valerie Plame.

Ted McMillan
TheirSecrets.info

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A "conspiracy theorist" fears black helicopters, while a conspirator fears defeated dictators!

The fear of the "conspiracy theorist" kills no one. The fear of the conspirators genocides generations of innocents!

[Jesuit soldiers are now entering into the dialogue.  From history and experience we knew they came to disrespect the readers and the human family.  They desperately must do all they can to intercept and counteract the information we are giving here.  They will refuse to enter the dialogue and answer questions.  They will copy their fathers of the Communist, Nazi and Inquisition Regimes and constantly give us mental diagnoses like the Inquisitors did in dungeons, and the following Communists and Nazis did in Concentration camps.  This great rise in mental diagnoses all over the internet that contributes more and more to the total insanity found over the internet is meshing right on time with the growing number of detention camps being built in America under the Bush Regime and now under the Obama Regime.  They love to repeat and repeat because they never flip-flop (the Jesuit Oath demands RELENTLESS WAR against their enemies) and this training in persistence and repetition is what has preserved BOTH communism and Nazism to this very day:  FASCISM.

They have two objects in giving constant mental diagnoses and claims of insanity to their enemies on forums, and in making many posts with mere insults, diversions and all kinds of even large images to try and destroy the threads.  It is more than just disrespect to the readers and to the human family these factories of the most brutal regimes always had:  THE INTERNET IS THE ONLY REALLY FREE MEDIA IN THE UNITED STATES.  They want to wear out the readers and make them to more believe that the internet is an unprofitable vehicle of knowledge--a waste of their time.  All other media is controlled by them.  They therefore gladly always disrespect the readers--same like the US Government disrespect of the 2006 vote against the wars.  If the American people understood who and what is now heavily infiltrated all around them, they would understand that the more the government and all the systems of strength around us state their desire to respect our wishes is the more they demonstrate by their actions that they don't.]

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"The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls And tenement halls" - Simon & Garfunkel

It goes back to Shakespeare's court Jester or "Fool" ... When the world has gone mad those speaking the truth will be considered the insane ones. Only in hindsight will they be proved prophetic.

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Originally posted by PatriotMissile2008:

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"The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls And tenement halls" - Simon & Garfunkel

It goes back to Shakespeare's court Jester or "Fool" ... When the world has gone mad those speaking the truth will be considered the insane ones. Only in hindsight will they be proved prophetic.

Wow! Paul and Art sure were smart. And all this time I thought those clowns with their paint cans were punks, gang bangers, and vandals! Prophets you say!

“Hear my words that I might teach you.”
Yes, I hear your words of wisdom! More pretentious Simon and Garfunkel drivel from the same song.

If someone rapes the wife of a "conspiracy theorist", he would attack that person (Osama). If someone rapes a conspirator's wife, he would look for someone already beaten up (Saddam) and fight him instead. When urged upon that the defeated man was not the one who did the raping, the conspirator would say, "I can't surrender now, or cut and run! What would the world think of me!"

If a "conspiracy theorist" hires a security guard to protect his business and interests, and he still winds up getting robbed deaf, dumb and blind (911), a conspiracy theorist would get rid of that security guard.

If the same thing happens to the conspirator, and he gets robbed deaf, dumb and blind, he would heavily promote that security guard and make him king over his whole house! Then the conspirator would be more concerned about the mental health of the "conspiracy theorist."

If Russia attacks and destroys Canada on our borders under false pretenses and without blushing, a conspiracy theorist would understand if America meddles in the occupation and arms itself more heavily in case it might be attacked itself.

A conspirator would not understand Iran doing that.

A Conspiracy INVESTIGATOR is open minded and willing to consider evidence from all angles.

A Conspiracy THEORIST is close minded, determinded to prove a conspiracy exists regardless of any contrary evidence. As such, his/her findings are about as much value as a chocolate fireguard.

A "conspiracy theorist" is open-minded. A conspirator or "conspiracy investigator" is not. That's why the independent 911 investigation did not take place RIGHT AWAY!

A "conspiracy investigator" is not open-minded, that's why he always needs every form of secrecy and secret trials and courts, and can't even settle with court-approved wire-taps.

A "conspiracy investigator", contrary to the "conspiracy theorists" favors principles and attitudes of communists and Nazis, and tis not to be doubted that he has the same abilities to deceive and to kill!

I can name many ways America is suffering because of the conspirator or the "conspiracy investigator." Waiting for such to show how America has suffered because of the "conspiracy theorist" has proven to be futile, but the "conspiracy investigator" complains so much about the "conspiracy theorist" tis a wonder his crusade against paranoia is so successful.

In which free country does it become a crime to believe that a literal global conspiracy exists? A conspirator of "conspiracy investigator" makes it a crime to honestly believe a global conspiracy exists. He would love to have it written in the books and enforced to be a crime with heavy penalties if he had his way. I wonder why! But the conspirator will do nothing to stop the growing lies, scandals, coverups and government tampering that spawns the "conspiracy theorist". He jumps only on people who don't like this. He is in treason!

Which scares them more? The "conspiracy theorist?" or the defeated dictator!

As ignored by another "conspiracy investigator," that's why the founders wrote the Constitution with the Second Amendment. This was not written because they wanted to prove there was a conspiracy. It was written if in case that conspiracy got too strong.

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Tell me: what would America do if Russia suddenly attacks and destroys Canada on fear of WMDs and none were found and Russia neither blushed nor left?

Should America meddle? Should she arms herself?

I wonder then about Iran!

If "conspiracy theorists" are so closed-minded, how come they never fear to testify anywhere under oath? If major reviews are required for the normal Joe and Doe and he refuses to testify under oath, wouldn't everyone know he has something to hide?

We watch judge shows all the time, and if anything ever happens where evidence is destroyed or covered up, those judges always know that the party who covers it up is guilty. When the judges on the judge shows ask simple questions and get the runaround, those judges know every single time where the guilty party is. The "conspiracy theorists" also know.

If it's your responsibility to protect the Homeland, and then a major disaster like 911 takes place and you then refuse to testify alone and under oath, will a "conspiracy theorist" work day and night to tell the world you are innocent or that you can't be proven guilty by your determination to stay out of the reviewing process? What then if, although you're responsible to protect the homeland, history shows you have had ties with Osama Bin Laden for years? What then if, knowing that people are talking about this, you make every excuse to avoid going after Osama, and then put the lives of the troops in jeopardy to fight someone else and also to keep Osama free?

Sure the "conspiracy investigator" would excuse such a person, but a "conspiracy theorist" and the American public would not.

The more the conspirator cries against the "conspiracy theorist" is the more the American public and the military suffers, and suffers not because of the "conspiracy theorist."

"Conspiracy theorists" never had to tell their grandmothers how relieved they were that terror attacks did not occur in 6 years. Nor that we have to give up our liberties for security and bankrupt ourselves for security and then yet keep telling us we still will be attacked by terrorists. I remembered when we didn't spend a 16th of what we're now paying for security, and yet, for the entire history of this country, we heard about and experienced baseball and apple pie without constantly being reminded we're going to be attacked, notwithstanding our huge expense. WE ARE NOT SUFFERING BECAUSE OF CONSPIRACY THEORISTS! WE'RE BEING KILLED BY A MYTH!

http://www.TheirSecrets.info

Nice rant tmac

I rest my case

Detention camps are now set up to make sure other conspirators rest their case in the same way you do yours. What will go on in these detention camps? One only has to look in the other regimes of history that had such camps or such methods of trials and reviews. You know how many other people all over the internet refuse to answer my simple questions and points, but just constantly post all the time that I need mental help, am a lunatic, need to take my meds and have a tinfoil hat?

Is there something else also that took place in detention camps of history? Did they claim psychiatric or pharmaceutical talents in those camps during the times of the Communists and Nazis?

That's why lies, scandals, coverups and constitutional tampering grow all the time despite the rise they give to the "conspiracy theorists." Your response shows that this will continue. But on no forum did readers come to see people win arguments by claiming that their case has rested.

American constitutionalism is what it is. Nazism and communism was what they were. Their cases were always already rested. If only the American public can understand this, they can save their freedom, property, lives and even what comes after that!

The economy is in very bad shape! Isn't it a shame not one "conspiracy theorist" is responsible for it either?

tmac1238= "This Member" resides in Florida. No Bio...No name. Waste of bytes, and oxygen.

Maybe I can ask the rules of this and every other forum how we are to determine if a person is a waste of time merely by the fact that he posts no bio? If it was so important, why wouldn't the forums rules (or that for any other forum) say so?

Lots of points were made and just imagine that you bypassed all of them, to empty your entire skull and IQ with complete disrespect to the readers here!

Guys with your guts tell us, "We're going to start wars for democracy 'for our own security!'" A short time later, the American people vote against the wars and against your guys. The wars go on anyway and you disrespect the people: the victims.

Now you come on forums with people watching. Many points are left for you to examine AND SHOW THOSE READING THAT MY POINTS ARE BASELESS AND NOT WORTH THE TIME. You then bypass all of that, because nothing can convert you guys to ever respect the American people!

Jesus said to one of those present at His trial:
John 18:23: Jesus answered him, "If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil; but if well, why do you strike Me?".

He was saying, HAVE RESPECT TO THOSE WATCHING! STOP BEING OF THAT CLASS OF THE DAMNED WHO DON'T RESPECT THE WITNESSES THAT ARE AROUND!

Show them that I don't know what I'm talking about! Have respect for your victims!

The Actual Purpose of the Wars:
http://www.TheirSecrets.info/iraqwar.htm

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A "conspiracy theorist" is a person who even believes it is possible for the United States Federal government to become treasonous and tyrannical.

wtf?? where do you get this crap???


ok real defention...

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conspiracy theory
–noun
1. a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.
2. the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.

man some times i come here i feel like i am in some sort of twilight zone...

It says a "conspiracy theorist" is a person who EVEN believes... Does not in any way interrupt the dictionary definition you brought up. After all, what crazy person would make laws to allow citizens to carry arms in case the government becomes a myth?

By the way, you guys see all the issues and points I raised. You didn't miss them by accident.

hell yea firearms..

a ratttaattt

Please don't hurt me Mr. Saddam! Go after those people who believe in black helicopters. If you don't, I'll die of sleep deprivation! I'm a Nazi!

I can't make those detainment camps quite yet so I can condemn them without them being able to say a thing!

oh no black helos.... run!!!

Why didn't the traitors run from the defeated dictator? Cause they were brave?

Oh no, bold death threats against all non-Catholics we jesuits agree with! PRETEND IT'S NOT THERE!

http://www.TheirSecrets.info/ac/appealchapi.htm

Your brain must ooze with conspiracy matter out of your ear holes.

Man, DO NOT GO OUTSIDE!!!!!!!Government people are waiting because you know too much.

Don't go outside! Tmack wants the government to stop covering up things and telling lies and tampering with the Constitution. Of course, that doesn't bother us!

You call yourself "Patriot," but you missed the death threats against all non-Catholics. Do you know you would catch it if you did not agree with it? What must human beings ooze from their brains again, and which Heinrich Himmlers must be their doctors?

Why did you miss the worst death threats ever because you can't procreate in the face of the freedom of Americans to know about your treason?

Can you readers imagine that these super-criminals dominate society and the government?

Really, dude....with all this new surveillance I think it would be best if you stayed inside for a while.

Why would the government with your same anti-terrorism agenda miss such publicly posted threats? Can we find out by the fact they are on this forum in front of your nose and you can't see it? You see posters who post to themselves?

Your brothers:
http://www.TheirSecrets.info/grizogono.htm

Not too many other than you really.

You are sure no American can disagree with you and know a conspiracy exists. Can you see the boldest postings from your brothers condemning the lives of BILLIONS and claiming the American system of freedom is going to collapse while supporting the wars and claiming our troops are dying to defend our freedoms?

I have to repeat myself often. Freedom fighters had to do the same against the Third Reich.

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Originally posted by patriot101:
Really, dude....with all this new surveillance I think it would be best if you stayed inside for a while.

Patriot101:--- I think "This Member" has been has been "inside" long enough... building model airplanes---without ventilation. Hope someone restricts sharp objects from his/her reach.

You guys destroy our loyal troops among the military claiming it is for "democracy" and yet obviously believe the American voters sniff glue. They voted the war down.

Either you're in treason or the whole world needs to sniff glue as a preventative of war. That way, they also won't support the mass genocide of billions. If you support the mass genocide of billions, destroying the troops among the military who do not accept such a position should be quite easy for you guys.

Is it because I sniff glue why I see the worst death threats in this age under our age of terror when our troops are dying to prevent terror? Maybe you guys were lying all along.

"I Am The Owl"

I am your plumber
No I never went away
I still bug your bedrooms
And pick up everything you say
It can be a boring job
To moniter all day your excess talk

I hear when you're drinking
And cheating on your lonely wife
I play tape recordings
Of you to my friends at night

We've got our girl in bed with you
You're on candid camera
We just un-elected you

[Chorus]
I am the owl
I seek out the foul
Wipe 'em away
Keep America free
For clean livin' folks like me

If you demonstrate
Against somebody we like
I'll slip on my wig
And see if I can start a riot
Transform you to an angry mob
All your leaders go to jail for my job

But we ain't the Russians
Political trials are taboo
We've got our secret
Ways of getting rid of you
Fill you full of LSD
Turn you loose on a freeway

[Chorus]

Send you spinning
Send you spinning
Send you spinning all over the freeway
Spinning on the crowded freeway
Spinning on the freeway
Spinning on the freeway
Spin
Spin
Spin-Lookout

The press, they never even cared
Why a youth leader walked into a speeding car
In ten years we'll leak the truth
By then it's only so much papaer

Watergate hurt
But nothing really ever changed
A teeny bit quiter
But we still play our little games

We still play our little games
We still play our little games
We still play our little games
We still play a lot of games

I am the owl